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    Re: In New York City, 41% of pregnancies aborted

    The whole pro life vs pro choice debate brings up a lot of questions, some without answers.

    For one thing, does an aborted fetus represent an intelligence that never will get a chance to exist at all?

    Or is the spirit that would have inhabited the new body simply born to someone else?

    Try finding a definitive answer to that one. The interesting thing is that the pro life voices tend to be the same ones who believe that a human being has a spirit as well as a body.

    Another question is this: Is being pro choice the same as pro abortion?
    Or does it mean that the pro choice person is really in favor of allowing others to make a choice that he himself finds reprehensible?

    In other words, if abortion is outlawed, will that stop it? Will it slow it down, even? Are there better ways of encouraging people to make the right choice, while allowing the choice to be made?

    Chew on that one for a while.
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    Re: In New York City, 41% of pregnancies aborted

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The whole pro life vs pro choice debate brings up a lot of questions, some without answers.

    For one thing, does an aborted fetus represent an intelligence that never will get a chance to exist at all?
    Possible. But it is also possible that it won't have an intelligence beyond that of drooling. It's also possible that instead of being a force for good it could be a force for evil. Anything is possible. Future telling is not my forte' though. So generally don't address these type of questions.

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    Or is the spirit that would have inhabited the new body simply born to someone else?
    Again, possible. No one really knows. Some might think that they know..but thinking and knowing are two different things.

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    Another question is this: Is being pro choice the same as pro abortion?
    Or does it mean that the pro choice person is really in favor of allowing others to make a choice that he himself finds reprehensible?
    The bolded part is where I fall. I do not like abortion and I do think that it is reprehensible. But I also realize that that is just my belief. My beliefs should not be forced on others with other differing beliefs.

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    In other words, if abortion is outlawed, will that stop it? Will it slow it down, even? Are there better ways of encouraging people to make the right choice, while allowing the choice to be made?

    Chew on that one for a while.
    No it will not stop it. History has proven that one already. Will it slow it down? Don't know. Are there better ways of encouraging people to make the right choice? In order to answer that you would have to get everyone to agree on what the right choice is first.
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    Re: In New York City, 41% of pregnancies aborted

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    "If they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby."
    Perhaps the worst thing ever said in public by a sitting president.

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    Re: In New York City, 41% of pregnancies aborted

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The bolded part is where I fall. I do not like abortion and I do think that it is reprehensible. But I also realize that that is just my belief. My beliefs should not be forced on others with other differing beliefs.
    Do you consider a fetus a human? If so, abortion is the taking of a life, and surely you do not support that.

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    Re: In New York City, 41% of pregnancies aborted

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Possible. But it is also possible that it won't have an intelligence beyond that of drooling. It's also possible that instead of being a force for good it could be a force for evil. Anything is possible. Future telling is not my forte' though. So generally don't address these type of questions.



    Again, possible. No one really knows. Some might think that they know..but thinking and knowing are two different things.
    No, no one really knows. It's one of those questions with no answer. The interesting thing is that the same people who believe in a human soul tend to be the ones most adamantly opposed to abortion, and most likely to want to impose their value on the rest of us. It's kind of a curious irony.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The bolded part is where I fall. I do not like abortion and I do think that it is reprehensible. But I also realize that that is just my belief. My beliefs should not be forced on others with other differing beliefs.
    That's where I fall as well. Abortion is reprehensible, and in almost every case immoral. So is adultery and a whole lot of other choices people make. That doesn't mean I should impose my values on the rest of society.

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    No it will not stop it. History has proven that one already. Will it slow it down? Don't know. Are there better ways of encouraging people to make the right choice? In order to answer that you would have to get everyone to agree on what the right choice is first.
    I think most people would agree that abortion is generally not the right choice. The question, then, is how do we discourage it?
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    Re: In New York City, 41% of pregnancies aborted

    if you get an abortion you might as well start drinking and smoking because your chance of getting cancer has increased drastically.
    I would just like to point out that this statement is completely inaccurate. That is all.

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    Re: In New York City, 41% of pregnancies aborted

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    does an aborted fetus represent an intelligence that never will get a chance to exist at all?
    Not at all. It's a lifeless blob of gooey matter... That's what my wife's doctor told me when she had her miscarriage.

    As an Ob, he knew more about what happens up inside there than all the scientific theorists combined...

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    Re: In New York City, 41% of pregnancies aborted

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Not at all. It's a lifeless blob of gooey matter...
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    Re: In New York City, 41% of pregnancies aborted

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    That if left alone, God willing, might one day build a car that runs on water, win the Heisman Trophy, cure diabetes, and have a family of his/her own.
    You can't force someone to carry a child. And, did you know that any cell could become a person through cloning, so by your logic every cell is a human being.
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    Re: In New York City, 41% of pregnancies aborted

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The whole pro life vs pro choice debate brings up a lot of questions, some without answers.

    For one thing, does an aborted fetus represent an intelligence that never will get a chance to exist at all?
    Well, more then likely yes... everyone has the potential to contribute to society.... but that doesn't necessarily mean that the fetus being destroyed is going to contribute.

    Or is the spirit that would have inhabited the new body simply born to someone else?
    That's subjective on a persons beliefs on the after-life...

    Try finding a definitive answer to that one. The interesting thing is that the pro life voices tend to be the same ones who believe that a human being has a spirit as well as a body.
    More like the pro-choice voices tend to not believe that a fetus is actually a human.... if they accepted that first premise then it's not much of a stretch to include most people's normal belief that taking a person's life is wrong, except in self-defense.

    Another question is this: Is being pro choice the same as pro abortion?
    Or does it mean that the pro choice person is really in favor of allowing others to make a choice that he himself finds reprehensible?
    Pro-choice is just let people make their own choice... and may or may not be 'pro-abortion'...

    In other words, if abortion is outlawed, will that stop it?
    No.

    Will it slow it down, even?
    Probably some, but outlawing an activity doesn't typically lead to that activity to be easily tracked.

    Are there better ways of encouraging people to make the right choice, while allowing the choice to be made?
    Ya, teach our children proper family values, personal responsibility, and the difference between right and wrong, and psychological help for those women that view pregnancy as a disease, and the baby a tumor. That would reduce the perceived NEED for many abortions...

    Chew on that one for a while.
    Ya, I'm just waiting to be told that my opinions don't matter on abortion because I'm of the same species that infects women with the disease of pregnancy.

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