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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I'd really LOVE for Cat to show me the specific text of a law that proves Congress 'intent' to regulate greenhouse gases. HE won't though.

    I accept the Supreme Court's decision, if you do not, prove your case.
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    incorrect; congress never intended for greenhouse gasses to be regulated by the EPA. given the explicit choice to expand the EPA's authority, they again declined to do so. the Court was wrong.
    I have seen no evidence of the Court being wrong.
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    incorrect; congress never intended for greenhouse gasses to be regulated by the EPA. given the explicit choice to expand the EPA's authority, they again declined to do so. the Court was wrong.
    Here is EPA's authority from Congress to develop regulations to reduce pollution.
    Clean Air Act
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Whats the matter Catawba? No answers to this?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And you don't see how the two are essentially the same thing in this case? Why am I not surprised.

    BTW, how about showing how I am wrong on the three things I listed?
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Whats the matter Catawba? No answers to this?
    Legislation and regulation are not the same thing, in this case or any other. Similar in nature, yes, but they are two different things.

    As far as the three things you've listed, you haven't proven yourself right, it's not up to us to prove you wrong. You made some assumptions about the peer-review process that you've yet to support. You don't know why something might be granted a waiver, you just assumed they do it on spurious grounds. Potential incentive to possibly maybe be biased on peer-review does not mean biased peer review occurred. After all, you have a direct financial incentive to cheat on your taxes, but that could hardly be considered evidence that you've actually done it, right?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Legislation and regulation are not the same thing, in this case or any other. Similar in nature, yes, but they are two different things.
    In the legal world they can both send you to prison. So I would have to say that they are the same for all intents and purposes as the end result is exactly the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    As far as the three things you've listed, you haven't proven yourself right, it's not up to us to prove you wrong. You made some assumptions about the peer-review process that you've yet to support. You don't know why something might be granted a waiver, you just assumed they do it on spurious grounds. Potential incentive to possibly maybe be biased on peer-review does not mean biased peer review occurred. After all, you have a direct financial incentive to cheat on your taxes, but that could hardly be considered evidence that you've actually done it, right?
    So you see absolutely nothing wrong with them? That a government agency doesn't enforce proper peer review standards on things that they use to affect things on a national level?

    That a government agency can waive though a paper that has not been peer reviewed without peer reviewing it? Only reason for such a policy that I can think is that they don't want people to know the proper facts. Which means that they will/can waive something through the process in order to further their own ends no matter what. Can you think of another logical proper reason?

    That a government agency peer reviews it's own papers..in direct contradiction to what a peer review is suppose to be?

    If I have to explain to you why those are wrong then I'm afraid you just would not understand. Perhaps Catawba can give it a try?
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So you see absolutely nothing wrong with them? That a government agency doesn't enforce proper peer review standards on things that they use to affect things on a national level?
    You have no idea whether or not the standards are proper.

    That a government agency can waive though a paper that has not been peer reviewed without peer reviewing it? Only reason for such a policy that I can think is that they don't want people to know the proper facts. Which means that they will/can waive something through the process in order to further their own ends no matter what. Can you think of another logical proper reason?
    You have no idea what the circumstances are and assuming those circumstances are suspect is something you've fabricated entirely without evidence.

    Can I think of a reason? Of course.
    1) The paper has already been peer reviewed.
    2) The paper has already been peer reviewed by another journal and is merely being co-published by the EPA.
    3) The paper is an update to a previous, already-peer-reviewed paper with already-established methodology.
    4) The paper itself is a review of other papers.
    5) The paper is an opinion/response/rebuttal and does not have anything to review.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by KaThis Handbook was developed by EPA to provide guidance to EPA staff and managers who are planning and conducting peer reviews. This Handbook is intended to improve the internal management of EPA by providing recommended procedures and approaches for EPA staff and managers. This Handbook is a guidance manual and not a rule or regulation. The Handbook does not replace existing laws or regulation, does not change or substitute for any legal requirement, and is not legally enforceable. This Handbook does not create or confer legal rights or impose any legally binding requirements on EPA or any party. The use of non-mandatory language such as "may," "can" or "should" in this Handbook does not connote a requirement but does indicate EPA’s strongly preferred approach to ensure the quality of peer reviews conducted or initiated by EPA. Mention of trade names or commercial products does not constitute endorsement or recommendation for use. l'Stang View Post
    Umm...yeah...this is real encouraging to read....
    Good Grief...
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Good Grief...
    Nice of you to stop by, do you have some point you would like to make?
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you trying to say that industry has voluntarily always put what's best for public health above bottom line profit? In this case in particular, the climate changes won't become readily apparent to everyone until after the current CEOs are dead, so they're off the hook. It will be our grandkids and great-grandkids that may suffer from our short-term gain funnel vision over conservation for the future.
    Maybe this will ease your mind a bit. It doesn't look like everyone believes that we are doomed if we don't pass a cap and trade bill.


    EPA Formally Declares CO2 a Dangerous Pollutant | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.
    In the press release today, the EPA stated, “Science overwhelmingly shows greenhouse gas concentrations at unprecedented levels due to human activity,” and that “GHGs are the primary driver of climate change.” When the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) issued the initial endangerment finding in April, administrator Jackson noted that the agency “relied heavily upon the major findings and conclusions from recent assessments of the U.S. Climate Change Science Program and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change [IPPC].” Not only does Climategate seriously call this into question but so do the 700 dissenting scientists refuting claims made by the IPCC report. That 700 figure is more than 13 times the number of scientists (52) who had a direct role in the IPCC report.
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