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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    in preparation and also as a threat to force Congress into action. no pretense is necessary, the Obama administration decided early on that it would regulate this issue if it couldn't legislate on it.
    Again, it wasn't something Obama or the EPA did on their own:

    "The environmental agency is under order from the Supreme Court to make a determination whether carbon dioxide is a pollutant that endangers public health and welfare, an order that the Bush administration essentially ignored despite near-unanimous belief among agency experts that research points inexorably to such a finding."
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/19/sc...rth/19epa.html

    the Court decision was in reference to the intent of Congress in passing the legislation authorizing the EPA. if Congress clarifies' its' intent, then that would overide the Courts' ruling.
    What would the rationale be behind a change of intent in Congress? The scientific consensus for the cause of climate change has not changed.
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Again, it wasn't something Obama or the EPA did on their own:

    "The environmental agency is under order from the Supreme Court to make a determination whether carbon dioxide is a pollutant that endangers public health and welfare, an order that the Bush administration essentially ignored despite near-unanimous belief among agency experts that research points inexorably to such a finding."
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/19/sc...rth/19epa.html



    What would the rationale be behind a change of intent in Congress? The scientific consensus for the cause of climate change has not changed.
    So, you're OK with the Supreme Court 'making' law, instead of determining Constitutionality of law?

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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    So, you're OK with the Supreme Court 'making' law, instead of determining Constitutionality of law?
    Congress provided the intent of the new regulations, Bush ignored it, so the Supreme Court stepped in. That is how the 3 branches of the government are supposed to work.
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Congress provided the intent of the new regulations, Bush ignored it, so the Supreme Court stepped in. That is how the 3 branches of the government are supposed to work.
    you do not appear to comprehend the actual role of the Supreme Court.

    Here's a kids version... many small words...

    Role of the Supreme Court | Scholastic.com

    The Supreme Court has a special role to play in the United States system of government. The Constitution gives it the power to check, if necessary, the actions of the President and Congress.

    It can tell a President that his actions are not allowed by the Constitution. It can tell Congress that a law it passed violated the U.S. Constitution and is, therefore, no longer a law. It can also tell the government of a state that one of its laws breaks a rule in the Constitution.
    The Supreme Court is like a referee on a football field. The Congress, the President, the state police, and other government officials are the players. Some can pass laws, and others can enforce laws. But all exercise power within certain boundaries. These boundaries are set by the Constitution. As the "referee" in the U.S. system of government, it is the Supreme Court's job to say when government officials step out-of-bounds.

    If you can manage it, here's the big boy version...
    http://usgovinfo.about.com/blctjurisdiction.htm
    The complex role of the Supreme Court in this system derives from its authority to invalidate legislation or executive actions which, in the Court’ s considered judgment, conflict with the Constitution.
    The Constitution limits the Court to dealing with “Cases” and “Controversies.” John Jay, the first Chief Justice, clarified this restraint early in the Court’ s history by declining to advise President George Washington on the constitutional implications of a proposed foreign policy decision. The Court does not give advisory opinions; rather, its function is limited only to deciding specific cases.
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    you do not appear to comprehend the actual role of the Supreme Court.

    Here's a kids version... many small words...

    Role of the Supreme Court | Scholastic.com
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    Yep, that's what they did, they checked the power of President Bush, just as the Constitution gave them the authority to do. Thanks for providing the quotes!
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yep, that's what they did, they checked the power of President Bush, just as the Constitution gave them the authority to do. Thanks for providing the quotes!
    You're really not good at this, are you...
    The environmental agency is under order from the Supreme Court to make a determination whether carbon dioxide is a pollutant that endangers public health and welfare
    is NOT checking the power of the President... it's an attempt to legislate from the bench. Not within their power.

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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Congress provided the intent of the new regulations, Bush ignored it, so the Supreme Court stepped in. That is how the 3 branches of the government are supposed to work.
    incorrect; congress never intended for greenhouse gasses to be regulated by the EPA. given the explicit choice to expand the EPA's authority, they again declined to do so. the Court was wrong.

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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba
    Congress provided the intent of the new regulations, Bush ignored it, so the Supreme Court stepped in. That is how the 3 branches of the government are supposed to work.
    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    incorrect; congress never intended for greenhouse gasses to be regulated by the EPA. given the explicit choice to expand the EPA's authority, they again declined to do so. the Court was wrong.
    I'd really LOVE for Cat to show me the specific text of a law that proves Congress 'intent' to regulate greenhouse gases. HE won't though.

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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Republicans certainly hit the ground running. Rock on!!
    I'm ambivalent about this. EPA has always been a world-wide guessing game, but going green provides employment for people who need it.

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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    You're really not good at this, are you...


    is NOT checking the power of the President... it's an attempt to legislate from the bench. Not within their power.
    Not according to the Constitution. Show us evidence of where it was proven to be unconstitutional.
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