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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Not being to go outside for a breath of fresh air is a bit beyond the pale for me. I wasn't aware corporations owned a community's oxygen.
    Those CEO's have to breath the same air as you, why would they want it dirty?
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Those CEO's have to breath the same air as you, why would they want it dirty?
    Are you trying to say that industry has voluntarily always put what's best for public health above bottom line profit? In this case in particular, the climate changes won't become readily apparent to everyone until after the current CEOs are dead, so they're off the hook. It will be our grandkids and great-grandkids that may suffer from our short-term gain funnel vision over conservation for the future.
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Are you trying to say that industry has voluntarily always put what's best for public health above bottom line profit? In this case in particular, the climate changes won't become readily apparent to everyone until after the current CEOs are dead, so they're off the hook. It will be our grandkids and great-grandkids that may suffer from our short-term gain funnel vision over conservation for the future.
    I think what I said was pretty clear, the pollution is today and the CEO's are breathing it today. How are they getting out of anything?
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I think what I said was pretty clear, the pollution is today and the CEO's are breathing it today. How are they getting out of anything?
    Say what? I'm sorry, let me back up. The thread is about EPA climate rules. CO2 has been found to be a pollutant because too much has an adverse effect on our climate, not because it makes it hard to breathe.
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Say what? I'm sorry, let me back up. The thread is about EPA climate rules. CO2 has been found to be a pollutant because too much has an adverse effect on our climate, not because it makes it hard to breathe.
    crap arguement. too much of anything has an adverse effect on our climate.
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    too much of anything has an adverse effect on our climate.
    You are correct sir. In this case, we have increased the CO2 levels 30-40% above levels produced by nature and the earths ability to naturally sequester it.
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You are correct sir. In this case, we have increased the CO2 levels 30-40% above levels produced by nature and the earths ability to naturally sequester it.
    link please
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    not really. it charged them with a narrow band of authority; which the EPA has since sought to expand to include CO2. however, the EPA has no business expanding it's own sphere of authority; if Congress chooses to do so, that is Congress's perogative.
    If the EPA were allowed to expand it's own powers, that would set a precident for other agencies to do the same thing.

    Not good.

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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    You would have to pretend for that to be true since the EPA began the process in 2009.
    in preparation and also as a threat to force Congress into action. no pretense is necessary, the Obama administration decided early on that it would regulate this issue if it couldn't legislate on it.

    Can Congress overturn the Supreme Court decision?
    the Court decision was in reference to the intent of Congress in passing the legislation authorizing the EPA. if Congress clarifies' its' intent, then that would overide the Courts' ruling.

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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    link please
    "Human CO2 emissions upset the natural balance of the carbon cycle. Man-made CO2 in the atmosphere has increased by a third since the pre-industrial era, creating an artificial forcing of global temperatures which is warming the planet. While fossil-fuel derived CO2 is a very small component of the global carbon cycle, the extra CO2 is cumulative because the natural carbon exchange cannot absorb all the additional CO2."
    How do human CO2 emissions compare to natural CO2 emissions?
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