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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Umm...yeah...isn't that like asking a thief to guard Fort Knox and not checking in on em?
    There's the conspiracy theory!
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules


    ISI/HISA consists only of science previously peer reviewed and the review is deemed adequate under the Agency’s Policy (§2.3.2)
    – meets criteria for exemption (§2.3.1)
    – receives waiver (§2.3.3)
    – otherwise determined not to be warranted
    "recieves waiver"? Why would should any scientific paper recieve a waiver? I can understand not re-peer reviewing something. But using something that recieves some sort of "waiver"? Who gives out the waivers? Whats the criteria for giving out waivers?

    Now I probably wouldn't have brought this up but the fact that they make a distinction between not peer reviewing something that has already been peer reviewed and not peer reviewing something that gets some sort of waiver indicates to me that some things are not peer reviewed period. As such I see the possibility of misuse in the worst way.

    Hope that made since....

    Anyways...I've barely even skimmed the dang thing and I have already seen two things that give me pause. And thats putting it nicely.
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    "recieves waiver"? Why would should any scientific paper recieve a waiver? I can understand not re-peer reviewing something. But using something that recieves some sort of "waiver"? Who gives out the waivers? Whats the criteria for giving out waivers?

    Now I probably wouldn't have brought this up but the fact that they make a distinction between not peer reviewing something that has already been peer reviewed and not peer reviewing something that gets some sort of waiver indicates to me that some things are not peer reviewed period. As such I see the possibility of misuse in the worst way.

    Hope that made since....

    Anyways...I've barely even skimmed the dang thing and I have already seen two things that give me pause. And thats putting it nicely.
    Why yes, instead of checking out what might "meet criteria for exemption," you should definitely just assume your pre-existing conclusion is accurate.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There's the conspiracy theory!
    No...it is a valid question. Would you accept someones statement that they walked on the moon without the benefit of a space suit without someone on the outside peer reviewing it and confirming it?

    Yes I am exaggerating to make a point.
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why yes, instead of checking out what might "meet criteria for exemption," you should definitely just assume your pre-existing conclusion is accurate.
    You know what they say when you "assume" something right?
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Peer review is intended to uncover any technical problems or unresolved issues in a preliminary (or draft) work product through the use of independent experts. This information is then used to revise that draft product so that the final work product will reflect sound technical information and analyses. Peer review is a process for enhancing a scientific or technical work product so that the decision or position taken by the Agency, based on that product, has a sound, credible basis. To be most effective, peer review of a scientific and/or technical work product should be incorporated into the up-front planning of any action based on the work product - this includes obtaining the proper resource commitments (people and money) and establishing realistic schedules.
    Umm...last I knew a "peer review" was not about enhancing anything. Last I knew a "peer review" was used to make sure of the accuracy of findings and those that do the peer reviewing point out the mistakes. Also a peer review is usually conducted with the finished product..not the rough draft of a product.
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Here are EPA's peer review guidelines ~ USEPA Peer Review Handbook
    I've found 3 things wrong with this "handbook" and I haven't even gotten through a quarter of it yet.

    Edit note: PS: 3 strikes you're out. I'm not even going to bother with the rest of that handbook. The EPA NEEDS to stop regulating and leave it up to the people that were elected to do the regulating.
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I've found 3 things wrong with this "handbook" and I haven't even gotten through a quarter of it yet.

    Edit note: PS: 3 strikes you're out. I'm not even going to bother with the rest of that handbook. The EPA NEEDS to stop regulating and leave it up to the people that were elected to do the regulating.
    Or, you've found 3 things you do not understand and assume the worst, just as you have in your misunderstanding of the distinction between legislation and regulations.

    Legislation ~ "law enacted by a legislative body, the act of making or enacting laws."

    Regulations ~ "Regulation is "controlling human or societal behaviour by rules or restrictions." Regulation can take many forms: legal restrictions promulgated by a government authority, self-regulation by an industry such as through a trade association, social regulation (e.g. norms), co-regulation and market ...
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Or, you've found 3 things you do not understand and assume the worst, just as you have in your misunderstanding of the distinction between legislation and regulations.

    Legislation ~ "law enacted by a legislative body, the act of making or enacting laws."

    Regulations ~ "Regulation is "controlling human or societal behaviour by rules or restrictions." Regulation can take many forms: legal restrictions promulgated by a government authority, self-regulation by an industry such as through a trade association, social regulation (e.g. norms), co-regulation and market ...
    And you don't see how the two are essentially the same thing in this case? Why am I not surprised.

    BTW, how about showing how I am wrong on the three things I listed?
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    Re: Nearly 50 House Republicans offer bill to block EPA climate rules

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Republicans certainly hit the ground running. Rock on!!
    I support this bill. But at the same time I suspect that this is merely political grandstanding and nothing more. The republicans do not have a veto-proof majority. Liberals believe in the man made global warming fairy tale religion, so they want to let the EPA regulate green house emissions. What matters is what the republicans will do once they have the majority and a republican president who is actually a conservative or somewhat conservative.
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