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    Re: Congressional Budget Office Consistently Wrong on Health Care Estimates

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So can we expect a GOP led effort to defund the CBO for poor performance? Or is this just smoke and mirrors with "we listen to them when they agree with us and ignore them when they don't" type of thing?

    So where are your numbers?
    You seem to have a comprehension problem, as stated it isn't the CBO's fault, it is the fault of very poor assumptions to sell the partisan liberal position, something you want to continue to ignore. Nothing wrong with the CBO but predictions 10 years out can never be construed as factual. Garbage in, Garbage out yet you buy the garbage in.

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    Re: Congressional Budget Office Consistently Wrong on Health Care Estimates

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    You seem to have a comprehension problem, as stated it isn't the CBO's fault, it is the fault of very poor assumptions to sell the partisan liberal position, something you want to continue to ignore. Nothing wrong with the CBO but predictions 10 years out can never be construed as factual. Garbage in, Garbage out yet you buy the garbage in.
    I love it when you True Believers quote each others opinion as if it were holy writ and agreed upon fact.

    So is the GOP going to defund the CBO? Or do they pick and chose what they want only if it agrees with their self imposed belief system?

    Paul Simon in THE BOXER "a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest"

    Looks like The Boner has come out with his own version.
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    Re: Congressional Budget Office Consistently Wrong on Health Care Estimates

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I love it when you True Believers quote each others opinion as if it were holy writ and agreed upon fact.

    So is the GOP going to defund the CBO? Or do they pick and chose what they want only if it agrees with their self imposed belief system?

    Paul Simon in THE BOXER "a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest"

    Looks like The Boner has come out with his own version.
    Why would the GOP Defund the CBO? It is better than nothing on a short term projection but a 10 year projection isn't worth the paper it is written on. Keep ignoring that reality.

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    Re: Congressional Budget Office Consistently Wrong on Health Care Estimates

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This from the NY Times today

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/07/us...er=rss&emc=rss



    This presents quite a different picture than the article in the previously cited source.

    Notice that Boehner gives away the basis of his entire argument : the CBO figures are simply contrary to his self imposed belief system.

    “I do not believe that repealing the job-killing health care law will increase the deficit,” he said.

    So Boehner is willing to risk increasing the deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars and cutting over 30 millions off of health care simply because of what HE BELIEVES. A belief system has supplanted the study from the very office that Congress depends on for its facts and figures. Somehow a belief system based on narrow partisan ideology has supplanted everything else and is the trump card to be played when all else fails. And because some here worship before the same altar as the Boner does, you too are willing to ignore the non-partisan CBO and roll the dice to the tune of $230 billion dollars. And at the same time you are willing to bitch and moan about other programs adding to the deficit.

    The hypocrisy is amazing.
    Nice cherry picking... why did you skip this quote?
    “C.B.O. can only provide a score based on the assumptions that are given to them,” Mr. Boehner said. “And if you go back and look at the health care bill and the assumptions that were given to them, you see all of the double-counting that went on.”
    Oh wait... I know... because it goes against your belief system. Talk about hypocracy.

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    Re: Congressional Budget Office Consistently Wrong on Health Care Estimates

    Boehner calls the health care act a "job-killing health care law"

    Where does the cry-on-cue Boehner get his information that this is a "job-killing health care law"? Could it be from the National Federation of Independent Business? The same National Federation of Independent Business that is suing to have the legislation declared unconstitutional. Wow, how non-biased they must be. But we trust them over the non-partisan CBO, because we like what they say.

    Actually some of it's from the CBO themselves, though surprisingly they - the Republicans - twisted it just a bit. The Republican report said that the CBO said that law would result in job losses. However, what the CBO actually said was the law will "reduce the amount of labor used in the economy by a small amount - the Republicans left the 'small amount' out of their report." Further the CBO said that the labor reduction wouldn't be from employers cutting jobs, but from people reducing their own workload because medical insurance would be easier to acquire. In other words they would have the freedom to not work full time at a job they didn't want just to get medical insurance


    CBO: Health care repeal would increase deficit
    “We just simply don’t know how to govern” - Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) a member of the House Budget Committee

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    Re: Congressional Budget Office Consistently Wrong on Health Care Estimates

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Boehner calls the health care act a "job-killing health care law"

    Where does the cry-on-cue Boehner get his information that this is a "job-killing health care law"? Could it be from the National Federation of Independent Business? The same National Federation of Independent Business that is suing to have the legislation declared unconstitutional. Wow, how non-biased they must be. But we trust them over the non-partisan CBO, because we like what they say.

    Actually some of it's from the CBO themselves, though surprisingly they - the Republicans - twisted it just a bit. The Republican report said that the CBO said that law would result in job losses. However, what the CBO actually said was the law will "reduce the amount of labor used in the economy by a small amount - the Republicans left the 'small amount' out of their report." Further the CBO said that the labor reduction wouldn't be from employers cutting jobs, but from people reducing their own workload because medical insurance would be easier to acquire. In other words they would have the freedom to not work full time at a job they didn't want just to get medical insurance


    CBO: Health care repeal would increase deficit
    Have you ever run or owned a business? what is the biggest operating expense in that business? how do you hire people not knowing what the cost of those employees is going to be?

    Now with regard to the CBO, any idea what the accuracy rate is for the CBO on 10 projections? Have you looked at the assumptions that the CBO was given by the Congress? How many of those assumptions are accurate? If those assumptions aren't accurate then how about the end projections?

    CBO isn't the problem, partisanship on both sides is.

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    Re: Congressional Budget Office Consistently Wrong on Health Care Estimates

    killing obamacare is gonna cost THIRTY MILLION americans their health care AND add to the deficit

    ie, adding 30 mil to m&m's rolls SAVES money

    please continue, mr elmendorf
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    Re: Congressional Budget Office Consistently Wrong on Health Care Estimates

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Boehner calls the health care act a "job-killing health care law"

    Where does the cry-on-cue Boehner get his information that this is a "job-killing health care law"? Could it be from the National Federation of Independent Business? The same National Federation of Independent Business that is suing to have the legislation declared unconstitutional. Wow, how non-biased they must be. But we trust them over the non-partisan CBO, because we like what they say.

    Actually some of it's from the CBO themselves, though surprisingly they - the Republicans - twisted it just a bit. The Republican report said that the CBO said that law would result in job losses. However, what the CBO actually said was the law will "reduce the amount of labor used in the economy by a small amount - the Republicans left the 'small amount' out of their report." Further the CBO said that the labor reduction wouldn't be from employers cutting jobs, but from people reducing their own workload because medical insurance would be easier to acquire. In other words they would have the freedom to not work full time at a job they didn't want just to get medical insurance


    CBO: Health care repeal would increase deficit
    Obamacare Conclude Overhaul Will Reduce Labor Force by Almost 800,000 Jobs « Government RICO
    Drs. Coburn and Barrasso releases new health care report, and the consequences of “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act” worse than anticipated. One section reports on the impact this new law has on jobs.Full report available here.

    Before the health care legislation became law, proponents of the overhaul claimed that health reform would create jobs. At the White House health care summit in February, the Speaker of the House of Representatives asserted the federal health care overhaul would create “400,000 jobs almost immediately,” both in the health care industry and “in the entrepreneurial world as well.”[1] However, recent independent reviews have contradicted such rosy scenarios and found the legislation will wipe out hundreds of thousands of jobs.[2]
    The CBO’s analysis did not even take into account the overhaul’s job impact on specific industries. Unfortunately, the lost jobs count can be expected to climb even higher because of a simple provision tucked into the legislation. Section 6001 of the health overhaul prohibits hospitals owned by physicians from expanding and denied Medicare reimbursements to any physician-owned hospitals not certified by Medicare by the end of the year.

    According to a Washington Times report, “the Physician Hospitals of America (PHA) identified 39 projects under development whose owners had canceled outright, knowing they could not win Medicare certification by the end-of-year deadline, plus another 45 that will be hard-pressed to meet Medicare certification criteria in time.”[9] Sadly, according to PHA conversations with its member hospitals, the canceled projects could have created “roughly 25,000 jobs.”[10] As the Times article notes, the “job-killing provisions” of the overhaul are “particularly ironic given that physician-owned facilities tend to be economically efficient and deliver superior medical outcomes.”[11]
    800,000 jobs lost is considered a 'small amount' by the CBO. Morons.
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    Re: Congressional Budget Office Consistently Wrong on Health Care Estimates

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The Republicans are standing on history and actual results of CBO accuracy which you and other continue to ignore. The CBO reports its own performance over a 10 year history as being very poor. You even acknowledged that it is unlikely that the cuts and tax increase will happen so what does that do to the estimates? It isn't the CBO fault because they can only use the assumptions given them. If the assumptions are wrong then the projections are wrong. History shows that the CBO has never been right on their 10 projections and that is the point. Using the 230 billion as fact is nothing more than partisan rhetoric that deceives the American people.
    So what is your solution, lets assume I completely agree and the CBO is junk most of the time? The Reps are still offering nothing better. The 230 Billion is not a partisan figure, the CBO is non-partisan, which is why the Republicans were so keen to use it when they wanted to talk about how much the Stimulus package would cost. The 230 may have come from more partisan numbers, and partisan directions from Congress, because the CBO is forced to follow the directions of Congress. So if Congress orders them to conduct a study based on a number of assumptions, the CBO does it. Its Congress that's partisan not the CBO.

    But again, and again and again and again. You have to offer something better or you aren't even playing the game.

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    Re: Congressional Budget Office Consistently Wrong on Health Care Estimates

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    So what is your solution, lets assume I completely agree and the CBO is junk most of the time? The Reps are still offering nothing better. The 230 Billion is not a partisan figure, the CBO is non-partisan, which is why the Republicans were so keen to use it when they wanted to talk about how much the Stimulus package would cost. The 230 may have come from more partisan numbers, and partisan directions from Congress, because the CBO is forced to follow the directions of Congress. So if Congress orders them to conduct a study based on a number of assumptions, the CBO does it. Its Congress that's partisan not the CBO.

    But again, and again and again and again. You have to offer something better or you aren't even playing the game.
    Look, the CBO was required to give a projection on costs and did so based upon the assumptions given them by Congress. The CBO has NEVER been accurate on any projections 10 years out and in fact are seldom accurate two years or more due to human behavior and activity which cannot be predicted. To buy the CBO projections would be a mistake especially this far out. Paul Ryan put out a GOP healthcare plan. Research it.

    I have no problem with healthcare reform but it has to be market based not govt. based. It will not work any other way. I believe healthcare is a personal responsibility so let the market handle the issue. How did we ever survive without govt. involvement? At worst this is a state and local issue as ER costs are funded by the citizens of an individual state, not the Federal taxpayer. The real problems are ER usage and illegal aliens which has to be solved. Universal Healthcare doesn't solve the ER issue at all as evidenced by the MA program.

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