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    Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster?

    Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster? - FoxNews.com

    Frustration with the legislative logjam in the Senate has reached a boiling-over point, and Senate Democrats intend to test the waters this week with a possible rare and controversial change in the chamber's governing rules that could limit the power of any individual senator to slow or stop debate on any particular nominee or piece of legislation.

    Sen. Tom Udall, D-NM, elected in 2008, intends to offer a resolution on Wednesday, according to his spokeswoman, Marissa Padilla, that could result in a change not only in the filibuster rule, but also an elimination of a rule that allows any member to anonymously block, or hold, legislation or presidential appointees. The resolution would open the door, by a 51-vote majority, to alter the standing rules which govern filibusters and holds, among many other things.
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    Re: Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster?

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    And the Progressive's destruction of America and it's founders' intentions continues... When will it end?
    The Founding Fathers intended to have a three-fifths supermajority in the Senate for every piece of banal legislation? Why didn't they write it into the Constitution, then?
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    Re: Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster?

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    And the Progressive's destruction of America and it's founders' intentions continues... When will it end?
    The filibuster only becomes effective under certain narrow circumstances, such as those that existed between January 2009 and December 2010. With the House in Rep hands the filibuster is no longer needed as a political tool. Sooner or later each party finds the use of the filibuster to be a useful mechanism. The Demos are just engaging in sour grapes. Some day they may be glad to have it available as an arrow in their quiver.

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    Re: Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster?

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    And the Progressive's destruction of America and it's founders' intentions continues... When will it end?
    Well they don't plan on 'nuking' the filibuster, as far as I've heard, there is no plan to change the 60-vote requirement. However, they want to change the filibuster back to what can be best described as the "Mr. Smith go to Washington" type filibuster. If you don't believe a bill shouldn't pass, fine, stand up in the Senate and argue hours on end against it.


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    Re: Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The Founding Fathers intended to have a three-fifths supermajority in the Senate for every piece of banal legislation? Why didn't they write it into the Constitution, then?
    The Founding Fathers wrote in the Constitution that both houses can develop their own rules. The Senate filibuster (Rule 22) is one of them.


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    Re: Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The Founding Fathers intended to have a three-fifths supermajority in the Senate for every piece of banal legislation? Why didn't they write it into the Constitution, then?
    I was actually referring to other things the Progressives have done to undermine the founders without actually listing them. Take the 17th amendment for example.
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    Re: Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The Founding Fathers wrote in the Constitution that both houses can develop their own rules. The Senate filibuster (Rule 22) is one of them.
    OK...and the Democrats are proposing to CHANGE those rules. I'm failing to see how that goes against the intentions of the Founding Fathers...
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    Re: Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    I was actually referring to other things the Progressives have done to undermine the founders without actually listing them. Take the 17th amendment for example.
    Well, that was a constitutional amendment. They included an amendment process because they recognized that attitudes might change. I don't think it makes much sense to criticize them for going against the Founding Fathers' wishes if they're actually amending the Constitution. Unless one assumes that the Founding Fathers had perfected governance for all time, way back in 1789.
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    Re: Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well, that was a constitutional amendment. They included an amendment process because they recognized that attitudes might change. I don't think it makes much sense to criticize them for going against the Founding Fathers' wishes if they're actually amending the Constitution. Unless one assumes that the Founding Fathers had perfected governance for all time, way back in 1789.
    So do you believe that the 17th amendment was a good thing or a bad thing for the country?
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    Re: Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    OK...and the Democrats are proposing to CHANGE those rules. I'm failing to see how that goes against the intentions of the Founding Fathers...
    I am sorry if I gave you that impression, it's not.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Well, that was a constitutional amendment. They included an amendment process because they recognized that attitudes might change. I don't think it makes much sense to criticize them for going against the Founding Fathers' wishes if they're actually amending the Constitution. Unless one assumes that the Founding Fathers had perfected governance for all time, way back in 1789.
    Exactly, and one must remember that passing a Constitutional Amendment is no simple task.


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