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    Re: Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    How does a supermajority "slow down the lobbyists"? That assumes that lobbyists always prefer action to inaction. In some cases (telecom being a prime example), doing nothing is exactly what the lobbyists want, so a supermajority actually helps them.
    Another way of putting it is that a single Senator who can put a halt to the passage of legislation by utilizing the fiibuster can benefit the lobbyists who work for an industry or organization that doesn't want legislation concerning said industries and organizations to be passed.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyroh View Post
    I'm not advocating getting rid of lobbyists. I am advocating giving the people one house of congress where the most important relationship is between the congressman and his constituents. Right now we have a redundant bicameral congress where both houses advocate what their donors tell them. This is aristocracy for the benefit of those with access. So once again, if a weird rule serves to slow down that aristocracy I'm all for it.
    And his constituents are also his lobbyists who represent various state and local interests, business, social, or governmental. Some of the best ways to get to your congressmen are through lobbyists who share your same concerns. I have witnessed it for a very long time.
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    Re: Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Europeans system is far less perfect.

    It's like this, the real go-gitters in Europe all came to America. That's why Americans are superior to every other country in the world.
    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    That is debatable. And while European systems may be far less perfect you've 1) admitted that the America system is not perfect either and 2) you have yet to explain how importing any procedure from Europe would inherently make the American system less perfect.
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How many countries in Europe are cocked up 9 ways from Sunday, right now?
    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Okay.

    So Europeans have popular elections in their countries.

    So does that mean you want to get rid of popular elections here in the U.S.?
    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Gee, where did that come from?

    Actually, Sam has a pretty good point. While many European countries are doing poorly in a number of ways its the height of absurdity to say that they don't do anything right or anything better than us. Education is something that comes to mind almost immediately. I don't think Sam is suggesting we make a carbon copy of the European model for our own but to study it to see what can be done better. In the same way we should study ALL modern governmental models.

    If you were a CEO of a company and had a competitor that had a slight edge on you in certain areas, would you not study what the competition is doing differently? At the end of the day you may find that it's not the right direction for you but wouldn't it slightly foolish and arrogant not to analyze your shortcomings?

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    Re: Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster?

    I don't have a problem with filibusters in and of themselves. I DO however hold contempt for an "intent to filibuster." I have no problem with one senator holding up the progress of passage. If one were forced to actually "filibuster" in the Merriem-webster definition of the word, then a lot fewer things would be held up due to party lines. This holds true for both parties. I'd be curious to see how many things have actually been filibustered by both parties at different times and attempted to be passed by both as well. Party flip-flopping is a funny thing.

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    Re: Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster? - FoxNews.com



    And the Progressive's destruction of America and it's founders' intentions continues... When will it end?
    About God damn time. This log jam crap has got to stop. If I were you I would get mad at the people responsible for using more than any previous Congress. The Republicans. They are the ones destroying the intent of the founders and the will of the people. ANy other assessment is hyperbole and scapgoating.
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    Re: Could Senate Dems Nuke the Filibuster?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    I was actually referring to other things the Progressives have done to undermine the founders without actually listing them. Take the 17th amendment for example.
    YOu apparently do not understand the process. The Congress decides whether to "allow" an amendment to go before the states and then a majority of states must agree to ratify it. Then Congress agrees with the states and the Prez signs it into law. How many progressives exactly would have been involved in that process. VERY few. Are you actually suggesting that the Progressives (I assume you read Libs) have highjacked this process? OMG

    Since the process involves the majority of states all parties were involved.
    "Those who do not learn from history and condemned to relive it".

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