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    Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Now we will be told what size light bulb we can use. More government control over our lives.

    Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye - San Jose Mercury News

    As of Saturday, what used to be a 100-watt light bulb manufactured and sold in California will have to use 72 watts or less. The 72-watt replacement bulb, also called an energy-saving halogen light, will provide the same amount of light, called lumens, for lower energy cost.

    Similar new standards for traditional 75-watt, 60-watt and 40-watt incandescent bulbs will go into effect in California over the next few years, with wattages reduced to 53, 43 and 29 respectively.

    The new rule does not ban incandescent light bulbs; it just requires those bulbs to be 25 to 30 percent more efficient. And it only affects incandescent light bulbs manufactured in 2011 or later, not those already in use or on store shelves.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    I recommend against kissing the 100 watt lightbulb, you might burn your lips.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Sensible. Has happened in Europe.. hard to get the old style bulbs now days and good. In this case government should mandate such things as people would never switch over to energy saving bulbs because they are more expensive than "old type" bulbs. Now the fact that energy saving bulbs last longer on average (way longer) and cost way less to run should factor in, but as we all know, the consumer is ignorant of such things and only want short term visible results. I think I have one old type bulb in the house, but that is due to the lamp ("it looks pretty" is the comment in this house).. and as soon as the lamp can be replaced then it goes.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Sensible. Has happened in Europe.. hard to get the old style bulbs now days and good. In this case government should mandate such things as people would never switch over to energy saving bulbs because they are more expensive than "old type" bulbs. Now the fact that energy saving bulbs last longer on average (way longer) and cost way less to run should factor in, but as we all know, the consumer is ignorant of such things and only want short term visible results. I think I have one old type bulb in the house, but that is due to the lamp ("it looks pretty" is the comment in this house).. and as soon as the lamp can be replaced then it goes.
    It's not the consumers whom are ignorant. The arrogance of your thoughts drips heavily in this post. People are too stupid, it's good to have Gov't tell the morons the better way to live.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Now we will be told what size light bulb we can use. More government control over our lives.

    Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye - San Jose Mercury News

    As of Saturday, what used to be a 100-watt light bulb manufactured and sold in California will have to use 72 watts or less. The 72-watt replacement bulb, also called an energy-saving halogen light, will provide the same amount of light, called lumens, for lower energy cost.

    Similar new standards for traditional 75-watt, 60-watt and 40-watt incandescent bulbs will go into effect in California over the next few years, with wattages reduced to 53, 43 and 29 respectively.

    The new rule does not ban incandescent light bulbs; it just requires those bulbs to be 25 to 30 percent more efficient. And it only affects incandescent light bulbs manufactured in 2011 or later, not those already in use or on store shelves.
    As much as I'm typically against government regulation, I really can't get all that worked up over this. This is the quote that I think is important here:

    The 72-watt replacement bulb, also called an energy-saving halogen light, will provide the same amount of light, called lumens, for lower energy cost.
    If it performs the same or better and can be offered at a comparable price, but will cost me less to operate, why wouldn't I want it? Personally, I buy those light bulbs already. That said, it probably shouldn't be the government's business as to how I light my surroundings. It would be far better to allow the company to produce the superior product and then let it compete on it's own against the less efficient model. Some people don't seem to realize that they won't have to force their agenda on others if they can just legitimately provide a better option.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    I hardly ever buy bulbs that are over 60 watts (and most are 40 watts), so I'm not particularly alarmed by this. They're cheaper for me to operate, and provide plenty of light (particularly the new flourescent ones).

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I hardly ever buy bulbs that are over 60 watts (and most are 40 watts), so I'm not particularly alarmed by this. They're cheaper for me to operate, and provide plenty of light (particularly the new flourescent ones).
    I tend to use 40watt equivelent flourescents. Before that, I just used 40watt regulars. My eyes can be sensitive at night so I prefer dim lights.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Your quote:
    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Now we will be told what size light bulb we can use. More government control over our lives.
    From your link:
    The new rule does not ban incandescent light bulbs; it just requires those bulbs to be 25 to 30 percent more efficient. And it only affects incandescent light bulbs manufactured in 2011 or later, not those already in use or on store shelves.
    Exactly what are you bitching about? This is the government requiring greater efficiency, on your behalf, from manufacturers. This is win/win for you. You can still BUY a brighter bulb, it will just use less energy.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Your quote:

    From your link:

    Exactly what are you bitching about? This is the government requiring greater efficiency, on your behalf, from manufacturers. This is win/win for you. You can still BUY a brighter bulb, it will just use less energy.
    Nothing like killing US Jobs to make you feel better eh?

    In Obama's vision, the nation's mastery of new technology will create American manufacturing jobs.

    "See, when folks lift up the hoods on the cars of the future, I want them to see engines stamped "Made in America," Obama said in an Aug. 16 speech at a Wisconsin plant. "When new batteries to store solar power come off the line, I want to see printed on the side, "Made in America." When new technologies are developed and new industries are formed, I want them made right here in America. That's what we're fighting for."

    But a closer look at the lighting industry reveals that isn't going to be easy.
    Obama's Vision and reality not meshing?

    In announcing the plant closure here, GE said in a news release that "a variety of energy regulations," including those in the United States, "will soon make the familiar lighting products produced at the Winchester Plant obsolete."

    "For those who make incandescent bulbs the law was bad for business," Yan said. "For people like us, it was very good."
    Light bulb factory closes; End of era for U.S. means more jobs overseas
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I hardly ever buy bulbs that are over 60 watts (and most are 40 watts), so I'm not particularly alarmed by this. They're cheaper for me to operate, and provide plenty of light (particularly the new flourescent ones).
    So you live in the dark, literally that is, not figuratively....

    Long time ago, circa 1984, I took a college class called "Alternate Energy Technology".
    We compared energy sources, their best uses based on properties, wastes produced, difficulty to get the fuels to power plants, etc.
    Oil wasn't really considered in the study, as it is primarily a transportation fuel.
    .
    After doing all the comparisons, the class determined that nuclear was expensive but cleanest, and had the least deaths from mining to use to disposal of waste products. Coal was cheapest, but dirty and dangerous, accounting for more deaths than any other. Natural gas was a nice compromise, but at the time it wasn't available in enough locations, and it was hard to transport.
    Bunker oil was still being used, but was being eliminated from the mix since the Carter days.
    After we did all that, the professor threw in ONE MORE ITEM to consider, conservation....
    If every house switched over to flourescents for just half their lighting load, we could SHUT DOWN a lot of our power plants, and it would be a lot of years before new ones would have to be built....
    I know that makes sense for the technically minded here, but it also looks like a goddamcommieplot to the ubercons among us who think we need to just burn more coal, air pollution be damned.
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