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Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

Water is needed to produce most things... including gasoline production.

Does a gallon of produced gasoline create three gallons of waste water, like ethanol does? Most of the water used to produce gasoline, is used for cooling and be recycled within the refinery.
 
Does a gallon of produced gasoline create three gallons of waste water, like ethanol does? Most of the water used to produce gasoline, is used for cooling and be recycled within the refinery.

"Among algal fuels' attractive characteristics: they do not affect fresh water resources,[2] can be produced using ocean and wastewater, and are biodegradable and relatively harmless to the environment if spilled.[3][4][5] Algae cost more per unit mass (as of 2010, food grade algae costs ~$5000/tonne), due to high capital and operating costs[6], yet can theoretically yield between 10 and 100 times more energy per unit area than other second-generation biofuel crops."
Algae fuel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
"Among algal fuels' attractive characteristics: they do not affect fresh water resources,[2] can be produced using ocean and wastewater, and are biodegradable and relatively harmless to the environment if spilled.[3][4][5] Algae cost more per unit mass (as of 2010, food grade algae costs ~$5000/tonne), due to high capital and operating costs[6], yet can theoretically yield between 10 and 100 times more energy per unit area than other second-generation biofuel crops."
Algae fuel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's all fine and good, but what becomes of the waste water created from ethanol production?

Also, how do we contend with the fact that it takes a gallon-and-a-half of ethanol to produce the same amount of energy as a gallon of gasoline? People are going to be paying the same price--or more--and using more ethanol to produce the same effect. Gonna have a hard time selling that one to the people.
 
That's all fine and good, but what becomes of the waste water created from ethanol production?

Also, how do we contend with the fact that it takes a gallon-and-a-half of ethanol to produce the same amount of energy as a gallon of gasoline? People are going to be paying the same price--or more--and using more ethanol to produce the same effect. Gonna have a hard time selling that one to the people.

Water is recycled in algae production, and it yields between 10 and 100 times more energy per unit area than other second-generation biofuel crops. If you look at the true cost of gasoline, adding in the military support to keep the oil from the Persian Gulf flowing, this is a cost effective alternative.
 
Why don't we increase corporate taxes on companies who send jobs overseas? That might actually work to keep manufacturing jobs in the U.S.

How do you do that?

Let's say Acme Brick decides it's too costly to manufacture here in the USA. So they do some research and find that an Albanian Brick Plant would make them competitive again. Oh wait, if they do that they'll be taxed so much it won't make a difference!

So what would you do if you were Acme Brick?

That's right! You would liquidate your company, and then invest in a new Albanian Brick Company that happened to be starting up. You'd offer your services in getting the product to market, marketing...

Good job Catz, you succeeded in doing nothing.

Try thinking through ideas before posting them.
 
Water is recycled in algae production, and it yields between 10 and 100 times more energy per unit area than other second-generation biofuel crops. If you look at the true cost of gasoline, adding in the military support to keep the oil from the Persian Gulf flowing, this is a cost effective alternative.

Cost effective for who?
 
Cost effective for who?

For consumers/taxpayers that are currently paying over $6/gal for gas by the time you add in the military cost of keeping the oil flowing from the Persian Gulf.
 
For consumers/taxpayers that are currently paying over $6/gal for gas by the time you add in the military cost of keeping the oil flowing from the Persian Gulf.

I'm ok with paying $6 per gallon for gas, because that only amounts to about an additional $50-$100 per month to my fuel bill on top of what I pay now. I'm ok with that, because $50-$100 isn't going to break me.
 
I'm ok with paying $6 per gallon for gas, because that only amounts to about an additional $50-$100 per month to my fuel bill on top of what I pay now. I'm ok with that, because $50-$100 isn't going to break me.

No, $6/gal is what you have been paying per gal since we invaded Iraq. and that doesn't even include what Uncle Sam put on the credit card for our kids and grandkids to pay off, or the unnecessary loss of life it entailed. But the oil companies and their record profits love you for it Jerry!
 
No, $6/gal is what you have been paying per gal since we invaded Iraq. and that doesn't even include what Uncle Sam put on the credit card for our kids and grandkids to pay off, or the unnecessary loss of life it entailed. But the oil companies and their record profits love you for it Jerry!

You're talking to someone who joined the service last year out of direct support for fighting for oil. My unit is deploying to the ME in 6 months to than and, and I'm glad to go. So, you're telling me that I've been paying this money all along. Ok, I'm doing just fine, so no big deal.
 
Sensible. Has happened in Europe.. hard to get the old style bulbs now days and good. In this case government should mandate such things as people would never switch over to energy saving bulbs because they are more expensive than "old type" bulbs. Now the fact that energy saving bulbs last longer on average (way longer) and cost way less to run should factor in, but as we all know, the consumer is ignorant of such things and only want short term visible results. I think I have one old type bulb in the house, but that is due to the lamp ("it looks pretty" is the comment in this house).. and as soon as the lamp can be replaced then it goes.



so one must spend more money on light bulbs instead of food for thier families.... that's some great eurologic there...... :lol:
 
For consumers/taxpayers that are currently paying over $6/gal for gas by the time you add in the military cost of keeping the oil flowing from the Persian Gulf.

What's the price going to be, after you add in the ethanol subsidies that come from the government? Oil, or no oil, our military presence isn't going away anytime soon. I bet if you factor in the government subsidies, it goes up to 12 bucks a gallon. Plus, the fact that consumers are going to have to buy more ethanol, because it's not as efficient as gasoline.

So, how is this better for the consumer again?
 
You're talking to someone who joined the service last year out of direct support for fighting for oil. My unit is deploying to the ME in 6 months to than and, and I'm glad to go. So, you're telling me that I've been paying this money all along. Ok, I'm doing just fine, so no big deal.

Like I said, the oil companies love you for it Jerry!
 
so one must spend more money on light bulbs instead of food for thier families.... that's some great eurologic there...... :lol:

Actually, you have it a little backwards, the new bulbs save you money over the life of the bulb, so you get the same light for less money.
 
Actually, you have it a little backwards, the new bulbs save you money over the life of the bulb, so you get the same light for less money.


So starve a little now, you'll get it back in 5 years? :roll:
 
What's the price going to be, after you add in the ethanol subsidies that come from the government? Oil, or no oil, our military presence isn't going away anytime soon. I bet if you factor in the government subsidies, it goes up to 12 bucks a gallon. Plus, the fact that consumers are going to have to buy more ethanol, because it's not as efficient as gasoline.

So, how is this better for the consumer again?

Now you are speculating wildly. Let's see some facts and figures. You are not looking at this long term and I am not sure why. You seem opposed to any form of energy, or even energy efficiency that would lessen our dependence on foreign sources of oil that are declining and therefore becoming more expensive. Why is that?
 
Now you are speculating wildly. Let's see some facts and figures. You are not looking at this long term and I am not sure why. You seem opposed to any form of energy, or even energy efficiency that would lessen our dependence on foreign sources of oil that are declining and therefore becoming more expensive. Why is that?

I'm all for a practical alternative, that doesn't need to be permanently propped up with tax dollars. So far, that alternative doesn't exist. Why aren't you alter-energy gurus pushing natural gas?

Cutting domestic oil production by 13% sure as hell isn't the answer. The One wanted to go after the oil companies and doing so, he caused the price of oil to go up, thereby increasing profits for the oil companies. He really showed them!!!
 
don't they contain mercury?

Don't forget the zinc and cooper that has to be strip mined for those pennies.

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Like I said, the oil companies love you for it Jerry!

They show me their love by paying me well, so yeah the love is mutual. Sure, $6 per gallon, ok, but I get BAH, GIbill, GI pay kicker, faster promotions, better training which can used in civilian jobs....yeah they love me, oh they slob my know every day to make sure I remember who loves me, too.
 
Don't forget the zinc and cooper that has to be strip mined for those pennies.

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See that lil truck down there? $30 per/Hr + benifits, starting. I'll pay $6 per gallon for that, **** yes.
 
don't they contain mercury?

Nope.

"Halogen light bulbs are a type of incandescent light bulbs and are filled with a halogen gas. The halogen gas gives the bulbs a longer life than traditional incandescent bulbs because it helps redeposit the evaporated tungsten back to the filament. Halogen light bulbs are not the same thing as compact fluorescent light bulbs (CFL bulbs), which have mercury inside and are often subject to state or local disposal regulations. Also, halogen light bulbs are not recyclable like CFL bulbs are."

Read more: How to Dispose of Halogen Light Bulbs | eHow.com How to Dispose of Halogen Light Bulbs | eHow.com

Personally, I prefer the LED bulbs, but the halogen bulbs are definitely a step up from regular incandescent bulbs.
 
I'm all for a practical alternative, that doesn't need to be permanently propped up with tax dollars. So far, that alternative doesn't exist. Why aren't you alter-energy gurus pushing natural gas?

Cutting domestic oil production by 13% sure as hell isn't the answer. The One wanted to go after the oil companies and doing so, he caused the price of oil to go up, thereby increasing profits for the oil companies. He really showed them!!!

I'm not thinking natural gas because I am thinking long-term. I'm not thinking natural gas because it is another declining fossil fuel that will just further delay our necessary transition to renewable energy that will be required to prevent future blackouts. Through what we already know about alternative energy and energy efficiency, we could have transitioned away from Persian gulf oil over the last 40 years, while the rest of the world transitions away from fossil fuels. If we continue to sit on our butts and do nothing to provide our own energy, we will be left behind economically in the future.
 
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