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Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

You have more dangerous substances under your kitchen sink. :shrug: People keep harping on the evil mercury in these bulbs as an way to show how bad the government is and how much they must want to poison you.

However, not everyone is a light bulb breaking klutz. It’s not like CFLs are guaranteed to break at some point… Just be careful, dammit!

Btw… how small is your house that you are standing within a foot of your lighting fixtures? Even if what you say is true on that count, that wouldn’t seem to be very hard to avoid, unless you have 6’ ceilings and rooms that are 3’ square. :2razz:

Personally, I find the benefits to far outweigh any alleged hazards, as would anyone who takes the time to do a proper cost/benefit analysis.



Seems to me, just based on the small sampling just within this thread, that it’s gaining ground rather well. Count how many people here claim to have replaced all their bulbs already versus those who want to cling to their more inefficient bulbs. Here’s a hint: The converts are not all green-thumb, save-the-earthers either.

Just sayin’ ;)

Trust me, I don’t have a track record of advocating big government in any way on this forum. I already stated that I don’t think the government has any business telling me how to light my home, BUT I fail to see why we’re all trying to make a big deal out of something that most people will likely be willing to do on their own anyway. Technology gets old and outdated, there’s nothing wrong with converting to newer and better tech, but people seem to throwing a fit just because the government has decided that an older technology should not be produced in favor of a newer one. Like I said earlier, there’s a reason we don’t use the Pony Express anymore. Shame on the US government for taking away your right to have your mail delivered by horse!

One final thing… Get this: You DON’T HAVE TO USE CFLs. There are halogen bulbs, LED bulbs and, according to the article, even your precious incandescents can still be manufactured, they will just be held to a more conservative energy standard. People are getting all worked up over nothing.

Keep making sense like this, and you'll be labeled a fake conservative.
 
Apparently, some of the ubercons have spent too much time marinating their heads in gulf oil.

Don't know if you noticed, but that oil slick? Yeah, it went away and is no longer a threat to the environment.

Care to tell us how the release of all this mercury is going to be good for us?
 
speaking of household chemicals, ever mix ammonia and bleach? In a closed environment, as in your house with all the windows shut, it can be fatal....

I once pee'd in a toilet full of bleach and almost killed myself.
 
Don't know if you noticed, but that oil slick? Yeah, it went away and is no longer a threat to the environment.

I don't see any scientists, ANYWHERE, making this claim. The actual information is that WE DON'T KNOW what the longterm effects of billions of gallons of oil in the gulf will be. And you, clearly, don't care, as long as you still get your share of the filthy lucre.
 
I don't see any scientists, ANYWHERE, making this claim. The actual information is that WE DON'T KNOW what the longterm effects of billions of gallons of oil in the gulf will be. And you, clearly, don't care, as long as you still get your share of the filthy lucre.

You must be beside yourself with outrage at all this mercury that's going to be injected into the environment.

How many jobs have been killed because we can't use regular light bulbs, anymore?

Unintended concequences suck. Don't they?
 
How many jobs have been killed because we can't use regular light bulbs, anymore?

How many jobs have been killed by lightbulb corporations sending their jobs to China? Where is your outrage over that?
 
How many jobs have been killed by lightbulb corporations sending their jobs to China? Where is your outrage over that?

Where are all those curly-q light bulbs made?
 
Kudos to California! Without this type of leadership we all face a very bleak energy future and who can credibly argue with the same light for less money.

You know what I like about California? The land; you can keep the people. Land is good though.
 
How many jobs have been killed by lightbulb corporations sending their jobs to China? Where is your outrage over that?

Being mad over the effect of any problem is not the proper outlet. Instead anyone with any sense would look towards the causes to solve the effect.

You appear to be only mad about them leaving which shows that you can't properly solve the problem.

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Anyway, I'm bit lost on why liberals believed this needed to be done. These bulbs are very popular in the market and it appears the market is already reaching their ends. Seem pointless to me to throw around your control for little reason.
 
You must be beside yourself with outrage at all this mercury that's going to be injected into the environment.

How many jobs have been killed because we can't use regular light bulbs, anymore?
Unintended concequences suck. Don't they?

Exactly 200, according to GE, the only US manufacturer who still bothered making incandescent bulbs. I have bad news for you, but the majority of GE's operations are already overseas, so let's not make this discussion into an emotional appeal, please.
 
Being mad over the effect of any problem is not the proper outlet. Instead anyone with any sense would look towards the causes to solve the effect.

You appear to be only mad about them leaving which shows that you can't properly solve the problem.

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Anyway, I'm bit lost on why liberals believed this needed to be done. These bulbs are very popular in the market and it appears the market is already reaching their ends. Seem pointless to me to throw around your control for little reason.

You appear to have lost the train of the argument. I'm merely responding to Apdst's pseudo-outrage.
 
Exactly 200, according to GE, the only US manufacturer who still bothered making incandescent bulbs. I have bad news for you, but the majority of GE's operations are already overseas, so let's not make this discussion into an emotional appeal, please.

I didn't bring it up...LOL
 
I didn't bring it up...LOL

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How many jobs have been killed because we can't use regular light bulbs, anymore?
 
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What really disturbs me is a country already 40 years behind in energy planning now grousing about leadership to provide the same light for less money? Speaking as someone who has waited 40 years for the market place to catch up, it is about time we had some leadership in government for energy efficiency.

It's not about government leadership. It's about private commerce and how much profit is to be made. If the same companies who manufacture the existing bulbs have to adapt to the CFL bulbs, it could take years to phase them in.

As we all noticed the last few years, private commerce plays the tune and the government dances to it.

ricksfolly
 
I didn't bring it up...LOL

In that case, my apologies. I was just answering the question that was asked. :)

Anyway, I'm bit lost on why liberals believed this needed to be done. These bulbs are very popular in the market and it appears the market is already reaching their ends. Seem pointless to me to throw around your control for little reason.

I agree with this. I really don’t see why this is a change that needs to be legislated into existence, because the market is trending that way on it’s own, but since it’s already done I really don’t really have a problem with it.

All I’m saying is there are plenty of other major policy issues to direct ire towards, so let’s not hyperventilate over the minors. I would wager that if light bulb manufacturers simply announced that they were discontinuing their less efficient bulbs, of their own accord, there would not be anywhere near the outrage, but because it’s the government discontinuing the bulbs, people must raise their fists and bare their righteous indignation!

Again, any consumer doing a proper cost/benefit comparison would be making this decision on their own, so why make a fuss?
 
Anybody that believes in peak oil, also believes in global waming and the tooth fairy.


I'll choose doors number one and two Alex, there is evidence of both. For example, name me any year since 1970 that we have produced more oil than we have consumed? What's that, there aren't any? That is what Peak oil in this country means.
 
I'll choose doors number one and two Alex, there is evidence of both. For example, name me any year since 1970 that we have produced more oil than we have consumed? What's that, there aren't any? That is what Peak oil in this country means.

So, that's because of peak oil? You better go tell all the oil companies to stop drilling, because there's no more oil there. I bet they would love to have that little bit of info.
 
Exactly 200, according to GE, the only US manufacturer who still bothered making incandescent bulbs. I have bad news for you, but the majority of GE's operations are already overseas, so let's not make this discussion into an emotional appeal, please.

Let's bring GE back by increasing corporate taxes if they don't make the bulbs the govt wants. :rolleyes:
 
It's not about government leadership. It's about private commerce and how much profit is to be made. If the same companies who manufacture the existing bulbs have to adapt to the CFL bulbs, it could take years to phase them in.

As we all noticed the last few years, private commerce plays the tune and the government dances to it.

ricksfolly


Right, we have suffered from a lack of leadership in government for long-term energy policies. That is what is needed.
 
So, that's because of peak oil? You better go tell all the oil companies to stop drilling, because there's no more oil there. I bet they would love to have that little bit of info.

Let me try to break this down for you even simpler. Peak oil does not mean there is no more oil. It means that we consume more than we produce, and its been that way since 1970, unless you can provide evidence of any year in the last 40 when we produced more than we consumed.

I'll wait.
 
Let's bring GE back by increasing corporate taxes if they don't make the bulbs the govt wants. :rolleyes:

So... you're advocating more government intervention to combat the current government intervention? :doh
 
It's not about government leadership. It's about private commerce and how much profit is to be made. If the same companies who manufacture the existing bulbs have to adapt to the CFL bulbs, it could take years to phase them in.

As we all noticed the last few years, private commerce plays the tune and the government dances to it.

ricksfolly

That's exactly how it should be.
 
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