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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I thought that the bill Jerry linked was regarding both residential and non-residential? I could be completely wrong on it, since I didn't read all of it, only skimmed it.
    You are correct, but it only applies to unitary units and those not controlled by central control systems. Most retail and commercial buildings don't use unitary units and most are controlled centrally. For instance, all Wal-Mart HVAC equipment is controlled centrally from Benton, AR. Store managers can't change the HVAC temperature in their stores.

    I can see these thermostats being faked or fixed so they can't receive the FM signal. For instance, you could probably wrap aluminum foil around the internal receiver and prevent it from receiving signals. I also could see people changing the thermostats out as soon as the building/house has passed inspection.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post

    If power needs to be micromanaged, then any control needs to be outside the home....say, on the transformer, for example.

    How exactly would they reduce the load from your AC from outside the home?
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    You are correct, but it only applies to unitary units and those not controlled by central control systems. Most retail and commercial buildings don't use unitary units and most are controlled centrally. For instance, all Wal-Mart HVAC equipment is controlled centrally from Benton, AR. Store managers can't change the HVAC temperature in their stores.
    I didn't know that. Very interesting. Thanks. Smart business move to have total control over their energy costs nationwide.

    Out of pure curiosity and as an aside, do they have some standards by which they set the thermostats for their stores?

    I can see these thermostats being faked or fixed so they can't receive the FM signal. For instance, you could probably wrap aluminum foil around the internal receiver and prevent it from receiving signals. I also could see people changing the thermostats out as soon as the building/house has passed inspection.
    Good point. I wonder if the changing of the thermostats would be noticed considering the remote link?

    I also agree that they should focus on retail and office buildings instead of residential if their goal is to control the blackouts without doing as Jerry csuggested and going with a better energy source.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Politics is not a factor in the bell shaped curve of an oil well's production.
    when a state comes and shuts your well down, or tells you that you cannot make more or explore more, that certainly has an effect on production. not recognizing this is a fatal mistake.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I didn't know that. Very interesting. Thanks. Smart business move to have total control over their energy costs nationwide.

    Out of pure curiosity and as an aside, do they have some standards by which they set the thermostats for their stores?



    Good point. I wonder if the changing of the thermostats would be noticed considering the remote link?

    I also agree that they should focus on retail and office buildings instead of residential if their goal is to control the blackouts without doing as Jerry csuggested and going with a better energy source.
    I'm sure they have very strict standards, along with a lot of sensors throughout the stores. Lighting is also controlled in Benton. Most Wal-Marts and Sam's, along with Home Depots and Lowes have a lot of skylights built into them now. During the day, less internal lighting is needed. Of course more is needed if it is cloudy, so more lights come on. Don't know if someone is actually controlling them, but more likely it is all controlled by sensors. Those are the retail stores I've worked with the most, but I'm sure they all do it.

    Not sure about the thermostats. Its possible, I guess that they could be designed to report a problem if they were tampered with.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I'm sure they have very strict standards, along with a lot of sensors throughout the stores. Lighting is also controlled in Benton. Most Wal-Marts and Sam's, along with Home Depots and Lowes have a lot of skylights built into them now. During the day, less internal lighting is needed. Of course more is needed if it is cloudy, so more lights come on. Don't know if someone is actually controlling them, but more likely it is all controlled by sensors. Those are the retail stores I've worked with the most, but I'm sure they all do it.

    Not sure about the thermostats. Its possible, I guess that they could be designed to report a problem if they were tampered with.
    Makes sense that most, if not all, of the bigger places do that now. If that technology exists, it's stupid not to.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyroh View Post
    when a state comes and shuts your well down, or tells you that you cannot make more or explore more, that certainly has an effect on production. not recognizing this is a fatal mistake.
    There is no evidence this has been responsible for the US passing peak oil in this country in 1971. The oil executives themselves have stated in the ETF Report that being independent from foreign sources is not possible with the demand for oil in the US.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    I wonder if house fires and burnt fingers will dramatically increase in a few years due to this new requirement ???

    I also wonder how many people will complain about the life of these halogen bulbs when they quickly burn out because they touched them with their fingers.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    It's cheaper to behave responsibly and save the resources wasted to produce excessive power.
    I would like to offer an honest and sincere disagreement.

    The cheapest answer is to bring the insulation up to standard; especially on homes older than 15-20 years as that's when roof leaks inside wall cavities tend to start complicating the issue. If you took all the little cracks and holes in your typical 10-15 year old single story home for a family of 4 and put them in one spot, you would have a 3ft hole in a wall. That hole gets bigger the older the home is, the older the roof is, and if convection prevention is is ignored.

    I think the government has every right to regulate the power demands of various devices and appliances. That coupled with consumer demand for performance will press the industry to produce a better product.

    Power plants come in as a long-term solution to growing energy consumption. Regardless of how well homes are insulated and appliances regulated, there will come a point when there are simply to many of them for a grid to handle, and the grid will need to put out more power. Wind farms can't do it; they kill birds and reduce property values anyway. Nuke and coal are the best sources of power today.

    I'm not sure if I'm ready to support President Obama in a Cash for Old Homes program, but I'm open to his administration dealing with this appropriately.


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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    How exactly would they reduce the load from your AC from outside the home?
    Reduce the total load afforded to the home. If you want to run your AC at max all day every day, fine, but don't expect to also have computers, dishwashers, ovens and TV running at the same time.

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