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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I'm assuming it has to do with the fact that many blackouts occur because of all the AC units that are on full blast in the summer. It's like that here in Chicago on really hot days. It looks like this is one of those things where they are trying to avoid a full shut down, while also dealing with the emergency by decreasing the load.

    Granted, that is an assumption on my part.
    Yes, I absolutely think you are right. However, I don't think they have that right. How do they know if a sick relative is not staying in the house and has to be kept warm or cool ? How do they know if the homeowner has pets that must be kept at certain temperatures, or plants, or an aquarium. What if there is a baby in the house ??

    These are things that someone from the state or utility company have no way of knowing. They can request that the thermostat be turned up or down, but it is up to the homeowner to determine if that is reasonable in their particular circumstance.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yes, I absolutely think you are right. However, I don't think they have that right. How do they know if a sick relative is not staying in the house and has to be kept warm or cool ? How do they know if the homeowner has pets that must be kept at certain temperatures, or plants, or an aquarium. What if there is a baby in the house ??

    These are things that someone from the state or utility company have no way of knowing. They can request that the thermostat be turned up or down, but it is up to the homeowner to determine if that is reasonable in their particular circumstance.
    But if they shut off the power altogether, wouldn't it be worse for the sick relatives, babies, etc?

    From what I gather, this is an option for them to prevent full shut downs. Like that would be the alternative to controlling the thermostat.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    But if they shut off the power altogether, wouldn't it be worse for the sick relatives, babies, etc?

    From what I gather, this is an option for them to prevent full shut downs. Like that would be the alternative to controlling the thermostat.
    Very well put Tucker. When I worked for a water utility, I always hated turning off water to large segments of the service area due to water main breaks. I think it is a positive thing to be a able to just reduce a person's usage rather than having to shut them down completely during an emergency.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is a kook conspiracy to think that a utility turning off service during an emergency is doing something they do not already have authority to do. Its the same thing I have been saying.
    They never had the authority to control a utility from inside the home. That is what's new, that's the problem. The threshold of your doorway is a significant legal boundary. Utility control had to always reside outside the structure, and even then it was merely to activate or disable the service, not micromanage it's use.

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    The language in the proposed regulations you linked, which did not pass as I understand it, stated "during an emergency," which is the same authority they have had since before you were born.
    They've never had the authority to force a reduction of your usage from inside your home, which is why they need to establish that new authority now using easy-to-pass bull**** regulations on light-bulbs.

    It's the difference between capping how much fuel you can buy and installing a governor on your car engine. Crossing the threshold and entering the home is a critical difference between the authority they've always had and what they're trying to do now.

    If power needs to be micromanaged, then any control needs to be outside the home....say, on the transformer, for example.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yes, I absolutely think you are right. However, I don't think they have that right. How do they know if a sick relative is not staying in the house and has to be kept warm or cool ? How do they know if the homeowner has pets that must be kept at certain temperatures, or plants, or an aquarium. What if there is a baby in the house ??

    These are things that someone from the state or utility company have no way of knowing. They can request that the thermostat be turned up or down, but it is up to the homeowner to determine if that is reasonable in their particular circumstance.
    Rolling black-outs are an attempt to avoid a full grid shut down. The wind farms just can't handle the work load.

    Nuke plants, however, can; as can coal plants. So first the environmentalists tell us we can't build nuke/coal plants, and then they want to install controls inside our homes because the system can't handle the load.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Very well put Tucker. When I worked for a water utility, I always hated turning off water to large segments of the service area due to water main breaks. I think it is a positive thing to be a able to just reduce a person's usage rather than having to shut them down completely during an emergency.
    The best answer is to increase the power supply. Then you don't have blackouts or government controlled thermostats.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Rolling black-outs are an attempt to avoid a full grid shut down. The wind farms just can't handle the work load.

    Nuke plants, however, can; as can coal plants. So first the environmentalists tell us we can't build nuke/coal plants, and then they want to install controls inside our homes because the system can't handle the load.
    Illinois is all nuke power and we rarely have to deal with blackouts in the summer. It happens occasionaly, but usually it only happens when something breaks.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    But if they shut off the power altogether, wouldn't it be worse for the sick relatives, babies, etc?

    From what I gather, this is an option for them to prevent full shut downs. Like that would be the alternative to controlling the thermostat.
    I don't think its an either/or situation. The amount of electricity used to heat/cool houses is infestimal when compared to commercial uses of power. If they really wanted to cut power use to prevent blackouts, they would be demanding thermostat controls on retail and office buildings, instead of single family homes.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    The best answer is to increase the power supply. Then you don't have blackouts or government controlled thermostats.
    It's cheaper to behave responsibly and save the resources wasted to produce excessive power.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I don't think its an either/or situation. The amount of electricity used to heat/cool houses is infestimal when compared to commercial uses of power. If they really wanted to cut power use to prevent blackouts, they would be demanding thermostat controls on retail and office buildings, instead of single family homes.
    I thought that the bill Jerry linked was regarding both residential and non-residential? I could be completely wrong on it, since I didn't read all of it, only skimmed it.
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