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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by ??? View Post
    I don't think people are idiots, but the amount of time people can spend researching things at the level of lightbulbs is necessarily limited. And let's not forget that the market is controlled by companies who are ulikely to make such investigation (as to which lightbulb is the best) quick or easy. Government regulation in situations like this is basically just a time saver for consumers. Letting the market decide just for the sake of letting the market decide seems inefficient.



    Researching? It's a freaking light bulb.....


    "hey neighbor, check out my pimpin new light bulbs.... on the package they say they save me hundereds per year"
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Think of all the ways Gov't could save stupid people from wrong choices....
    Well, that's a heavily emphasized way to put it. A think a more honest way to look at it is that the Gov't is attempting to eliminate the period of inefficiency that occurs naturally any time the public is asked to adapt to a changing market, as well as to protect the community as a whole. These objectives seem well within the power of the government.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Researching? It's a freaking light bulb.....


    "hey neighbor, check out my pimpin new light bulbs.... on the package they say they save me hundereds per year"
    That's exactly the point. Nobody researches lightbulbs, they either grab the brand they are used to or the closest one on the shelf. That doesn't make them stupid, it just means they understandably can't be bothered. Waiting for the mass public to realize that one particular type is better than the other would be grossly inefficient.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by ??? View Post
    That's exactly the point. Nobody researches lightbulbs, they either grab the brand they are used to or the closest one on the shelf. That doesn't make them stupid, it just means they understandably can't be bothered. Waiting for the mass public to realize that one particular type is better than the other would be grossly inefficient.


    You really think people even grab brands?



    here's how you get folks to by the cfl's that have the higher markup price (did you know the markup on a cfl for the wholesaler and the retailer is nearly double that of a standard bulb?)


    Put the CFL's at 36"-46" on the shelves, put the standards above or below that height......



    Guess what.... Home depot, and lowes do just that.... in a year or two, you all won't even be talking about this nonsense.


    No government inteference needed.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by ??? View Post
    Well, that's a heavily emphasized way to put it. A think a more honest way to look at it is that the Gov't is attempting to eliminate the period of inefficiency that occurs naturally any time the public is asked to adapt to a changing market, as well as to protect the community as a whole. These objectives seem well within the power of the government.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by ??? View Post
    Well, that's a heavily emphasized way to put it. A think a more honest way to look at it is that the Gov't is attempting to eliminate the period of inefficiency that occurs naturally any time the public is asked to adapt to a changing market, as well as to protect the community as a whole. These objectives seem well within the power of the government.


    And who wants to bet the government is spending more than we'd be saving on stuff it's not supposed to be doing?
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    I have an infrared temperature detector, with a laser point...
    100 watt equivalalnt CFL reads 130-150 degrees, a 75 watt halogen spot light reads about 300 degrees, a 40w round (shape and size of glass can affect the readings) over the bathroom sink light is about 150, all taken at about a foot from the bulbs....

    not exactly apples to apples, but it shows that a lot of the energy used to run the bulb is gone in the form of waste heat.
    If it is winter and you have electric radiant heat, then waste heat from incandescents is helping to heat your house.
    If it is summer and theh AC is running, your AC must work harder to counteract the excess heat.
    Our kitchen has 8 soupcan looking light fixtures on the ceiling, and the builder installed 75 watt floods. Standing under those kitchen lights was unbearable when all those flood lights were on. I replaced all of them with 100W equivalent CFL bubls. Lots of difference...
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    You really think people even grab brands?



    here's how you get folks to by the cfl's that have the higher markup price (did you know the markup on a cfl for the wholesaler and the retailer is nearly double that of a standard bulb?)


    Put the CFL's at 36"-46" on the shelves, put the standards above or below that height......



    Guess what.... Home depot, and lowes do just that.... in a year or two, you all won't even be talking about this nonsense.


    No government inteference needed.
    Yeah, that's assuming the retailers decide to play along.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by ??? View Post
    Yeah, that's assuming the retailers decide to play along.

    they make 10% on standard, 30% on cfl's..... I'll let you think about that for a moment,
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