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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sorry, but I can't hear anything over the constant cry over no alternative energy funding and the retarded conclusions with no evidence.


    I don't recall anyone saying there had been no alternative energy funding. Can you cite the post?
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    The program included subsidies for alternative energies
    he not only cut the subsidies
    Did I miss the part where it says the opposite or this somehow loses its meaning.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Did I miss the part where it says the opposite or this somehow loses its meaning.
    Perhaps this will help clarify.

    "Reagan is a key reason we have only about one-sixth of the soaring global market for windpower — an industry we once dominated: “President Reagan cut the renewable energy R&D budget 85% after he took office and eliminated the wind investment tax credit in 1986. This was pretty much the death of most of the US wind industry” (see “Anti-wind McCain delivers climate remarks at foreign wind company“).

    Reagan gutted Carter’s entire multi-billion dollar clean energy and energy efficiency effort. He opposed and then rolled back fuel economy standards. Reagan turned all such commonsense strategies into “liberal” policies that must be opposed by any true conservative, a position embraced all too consistently by conservative leaders from Gingrich to Bush/Cheney and now to John McCain."
    Who got us in this energy mess? Start with Ronald Reagan « Climate Progress
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    You just said he cut it altogether. Something I claimed you were crying over.

    Nice job failing.

    Oh and something that uses oil can't exactly replace it...........just sayin'

    It is only to note that if you think the answer is private enterprise, then drive to the nearest gas station and admire the prices brought to you by private companies.
    Also this line is beyond stupid. As this moron should be aware companies would charge far less if it wasn't for the government, but alas, that is not something he wants to mention.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You just said he cut it altogether.
    You need to re-read what I said and quoted. Reagan cut the subsidies (tax credits for alternative energy) altogether, he slashed the R&D funding by 85% and he phased out the CAFE standards.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Oh my, you quote Paul Abrams of the Huffington Post and claim “I thought it was common knowledge now”? I’m not sure what planet you live on but most of us don’t read that rag because of trash articles like this.

    And, now, the tragic truth: had Reagan left those CAFE standards in place, and the US had continued to conserve oil at the same rate as it had from 1979-85, the US today would be importing not a single drop of oil from the Persian Gulf.
    So your source takes the projected savings from a peanut farmer’s pipe dream plan, applies that to a 6 year timeline and doesn’t account for economic growth or the energy consumption required to produce and market ethanol or the economic inflation caused by grain being diverted to less efficient fuel sources such as ethanol, and plots an imaginary line across said 6 year timeline and projects it 25 years into the future without any consideration of other influencing factors during that 25 year history and you call that science?

    Pardon me if I “El Oh El” but this is fresh. You do realize that even Al Gore recently denounced ethanol as an alternative energy source don’t you?
    Jump now to our foreign debt. Instead of being beholden to close allies like China to hold (and not demand payment) of our debt, our balance of payments would be, if not positive, at least not nearly so negative. The dollar would be higher, as countries would have more confidence in the greenback's value.
    So you contend that we are in debt because we didn’t do what Jimmy Carter proposed with his energy bill? Medicare and Social Security were obviously neutral factors in your model. Do you really expect an intelligent person to buy into this crap?
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post

    So your source takes the projected savings from a peanut farmer’s pipe dream plan, applies that to a 6 year timeline and doesn’t account for economic growth or the energy consumption required to produce and market ethanol or the economic inflation caused by grain being diverted to less efficient fuel sources such as ethanol, and plots an imaginary line across said 6 year timeline and projects it 25 years into the future without any consideration of other influencing factors during that 25 year history and you call that science?

    You do realize that even Al Gore recently denounced ethanol as an alternative energy source don’t you?
    I've not endorsed or even mentioned ethanol. However, while I agree that food based ethanol is a non-starter, non-food based ethanol still has promise, particularly with algae. This was but one of the energy options explored by the R&D funding. The referenced report was by the Rocky Mountain Institute. Do you have a source more authoritative to refute it?


    So you contend that we are in debt because we didn’t do what Jimmy Carter proposed with his energy bill? Medicare and Social Security were obviously neutral factors in your model.
    No, I claimed we are more in debt because Reagan dismantled Carter's energy programs, and that's just in the area of energy. I won't even get into here the other areas where he increased our national debt.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    I have found compact fluorescent do not last longer.
    I would love to see some actual studies of this (or maybe Consumer Reports has done something on it). It's certainly been my experience that compact fluorescents don't last nearly as long as advertised, but I would probably say that about most light bulbs -- the absolute worst being incandescent "decorative globes" that go into bathroom fixtures.

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    Well here you go:
    " The life of a CFL is significantly shorter if it is turned on and off frequently. In the case of a 5-minute on/off cycle the lifespan of a CFL can be reduced to "close to that of incandescent light bulbs".[14] The US Energy Star program suggests that fluorescent lamps be left on when leaving a room for less than 15 minutes to mitigate this problem."
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    How many lights do you think people burn at once. The heat does not cause that much more heat to cause the temp to increase in the whole house. It is about the extra energy used because it produces the heat.

    This is more government control because people never make the right decisions only the government knows best. So much for capitalism and product choices.
    Given that Calfornia is requiring that people use halogen incandescents in lieu of the standard variety - there's not going to be a lot of energy savings due to heat. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if 72 watt halogens produce MORE heat than standard 100 watt bulbs.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The only thing that bugs me about CFL's is that some of them have to warm up for several minutes before you get full lighting.
    I'm bothered by the cost and the quality of the light. Fluorescents produce much better light than they used to, but it's still nowhere as nice as a standard incandescent or halogen bulb.

    I tend to put them in closets, pantries and hallways where I really don't care about the quality of the light. Combine that with what I just posted off of wikipedia, and that explains why I'm so underwhelmed by their lifespan -- I tend to use them only in places where I switch lights on and off in under 5 minutes. I have no need to light my closet or pantry for 15 minutes, hence no need for an expensive, low quality bulb. I'm at a loss now as to where it makes sense to use them - perhaps hallways and maybe fixtures that I know are prone to spike (for this purpose CFLs have been wonderful).

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