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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    We have lots of oil in the USA, just not always the good, sweet crude, or where it is easy to get at, or mixed in with sand, shale, etc.
    Gas prices will go up, we have no choice.
    Especially, if there's a 13% decrease in domestic production, to be 25% by the end of 2011.

    Yeah! Cut production. That'll fix everything.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, the solution, is to pass legislation that protects the environment and kills jobs. How does that have a hppy ending, again?
    I have seen no environmental legislation under this Congress that kills jobs. Let's see your evidence of that statement.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What really disturbs me is a country already 40 years behind in energy planning now grousing about leadership to provide the same light for less money? Speaking as someone who has waited 40 years for the market place to catch up, it is about time we had some leadership in government for energy efficiency. I can tell you from experience, if we wait for the energy "industry" to look out on our behalf, you are going to be waiting a long time, more time than we have to address our energy problems.
    40 years behind in energy planning? What the heck are you basing that on? The fact that we have regulations up the wazoo, preventing domestic energy production or are you just making crap up now?

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    LOL! How appropriate to quote the father of our energy crisis! I needed that, thanks!


    Disregard my last question. To claim that Regan is the father of our current energy crisis is asinine and clears things up for me. I donít waste my time on trolls and you really look like you are trolling right now.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    40 years behind in energy planning? What the heck are you basing that on? The fact that we have regulations up the wazoo, preventing domestic energy production or are you just making crap up now?
    Don't know how you missed it but we passed peak oil in this country 40 years ago. 1970 was the last year we could produce as much oil as we consumed. Regulations had nothing to do with it. The oil company execs themselves state in Cheney's Energy Task Force Report that even with expanded drilling offshore and in ANWR we cannot keep up with America's demand for affordable oil.
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Don't know how you missed it but we passed peak oil in this country 40 years ago. 1970 was the last year we could produce as much oil as we consumed. Regulations had nothing to do with it. The oil company execs themselves state in Cheney's Energy Task Force Report that even with expanded drilling offshore and in ANWR we cannot keep up with America's demand for affordable oil.
    Regan wasnít president until 1981. Obviously you donít value facts much if you call Regan the father of our energy crisis when it was Nixon who imposed price controls on domestic oil in 1979 and we had an OAPEC oil embargo in 1973.

    There hasnít been a nuclear reactor built in the USA since 1974. Do you think thatís because the US is 40 years behind the times or would you be willing to admit that regulations are at fault here?

    If we build nuclear power plants, drill domestically, mine domestically and build more hydro-electric dams, we arenít going to have an energy crisis in our lifetimes.

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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    If you can call any president the father of our current energy crisis, you would have to blame Nixon. Get your history straight or unplug your keyboard Catawba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Disregard my last question. To claim that Regan is the father of our current energy crisis is asinine and clears things up for me. I donít waste my time on trolls and you really look like you are trolling right now.
    I thought it was common knowledge now.

    "Yet, if there were a single major villain responsible for our dependence on foreign oil it is Ronald Reagan himself.

    During the rise in the oil prices following the Iranian revolution, President Jimmy Carter announced policies that would prevent the US from ever importing a single drop of oil more per year than in 1979. The program included subsidies for alternative energies and serial increases in the efficiency (C.A.F.E. = corporate average fuel economy) standards for automobiles

    Carter called it, presciently, "the moral equivalent of war". Anyone today doubting Carter's insight? Any takers at the Republican National Convention?

    Regrettably, a Republican PR operation realized that the acronym spelled out "m.e.o.w", and they pounced on the program using "meow" to ridicule it. Ronald Reagan then convinced the American people that conservation was beneath them, and he not only cut the subsidies, he also phased out the CAFE standards.

    It may bear repeating the obvious: every gallon of oil saved by efficiency is a gift that keeps on giving, year-after-year another gallon is not burned. By contrast every gallon produced is used once, and is then gone forever. Of course, oil companies do not make money when you do not burn that gallon every year.

    And, now, the tragic truth: had Reagan left those CAFE standards in place, and the US had continued to conserve oil at the same rate as it had from 1979-85, the US today would be importing not a single drop of oil from the Persian Gulf. Not one. Zilch. Zorch. Nada. (See, e.g., Amory Lovins, "Energy Security Facts", Rocky Mountain Institute).

    Imagine what benefits there would have been had Reagan not used the Iranian situation for partisan political gain. Start with Detroit. Instead of being far behind the efficiency curve, and losing out to foreign competitors (from countries where the price of gasoline was higher, and thus were producing higher efficiency engines), US automakers would be healthy, and right in the thick of it. Employment levels would be up in Michigan, and high wage jobs would be growing not shrinking. Add to that US ingenuity, and we may well have been the leaders in the world in fuel-efficient and/or alternative energy using automobiles.

    Jump now to our foreign debt. Instead of being beholden to close allies like China to hold (and not demand payment) of our debt, our balance of payments would be, if not positive, at least not nearly so negative. The dollar would be higher, as countries would have more confidence in the greenback's value.

    Consider our foreign policy. We would no longer be at the mercy of rogue nations, and those countries would not have the resources to support their terrorist activities and their pursuit of weapons of mass destruction. To be sure, North Korea and Pakistan, and even Israel, have shown that even poor nations can develop nuclear weapons, but North Korea has done so in part because they believe there is a potential market for their technology among the oil-producing states and Pakistan was likely funded by Libya and other oil-producers. Israel was aided by France. Without dealing in absolutes, we can confidently assert that the world would have been a far less dangerous place.

    Consider health. Our air would be cleaner. Asthma rates in children have doubled almost every decade, and asthmatic attacks have become a major cause of absences among schoolchildren. Large populations of young children chronically inhale steroids to prevent such asthmatic attacks.

    Oh yes, what about the small matter of global warming? Let us just say that our challenges in preventing future catastrophe would be far less daunting. To warm the cockles of Republicans' hearts, Al Gore may never have won the Nobel Prize.

    Ronald Reagan does not deserve all the blame. Having outflanked the Democrats politically on both energy and tax policy, the progressive impulse among the opposition vanished with Reagan's landslide victory in 1984. Bush, always trying to ape Reagan to outdo his father, managed to cancel the remaining tax-credits for purchasing hybrid cars, weakened efficiency standards for nearly everything, provided enormous tax breaks for Hummers and other gas-guzzlers.

    Outside the Republican convention, however, that victory rings very hollow 25 years, two World Trade Center towers and two Persian Gulf Wars later.

    The next time you fork out $50 to fill your tank with gas, or send your son or daughter off to Iraq, thank Ronald Reagan (with a tip of the hat to George W Bush)."
    Paul Abrams: There is a "Villain" In Our Dependence on Foreign Oil and His Name is Ronald Reagan
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    40 years behind in energy planning? What the heck are you basing that on? The fact that we have regulations up the wazoo, preventing domestic energy production or are you just making crap up now?
    Jimmy Carter was the only president to attempt to have an energy plan....Reagan had his own plan, it was to kill off as much of Carter's plan as he could.....
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    Re: Kiss your 100-watt lightbulb goodbye

    Sorry, but I can't hear anything over the constant cry over no alternative energy funding and the retarded conclusions with no evidence.

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