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    Re: Ezra klein 'constitution has no binding power on anything'

    Depending on how someone looks at his view - he could be running the Dem's into the ground the calling them out to be idiots who don't care about the Constitution.
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    Re: Ezra klein 'constitution has no binding power on anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    The man clarified what he meant on his washingtonpost column. What exactly still bothers you about it?

    What bothers me so much about it is the absolute disdain that liberals have for anyone that doesn't see the world as they do. Yes, he wrote in his column trying to set straight his utterly stupid comments, but he failed while devolving into chiding those who saw and heard him say what possibly he didn't want to get out, and that is the unmasking of the true nature that liberals/progressives feel about our founding documents.


    He clearly did not mean that the constitution is not binding, but the act of reading it in Congress.

    So he says, I think he is a liar, and not a good one.


    Also, do you disagree with his contention that the Constitution has very often been subject to interpretation and that each interpretation depends very much on how the individual leans politcally?

    That may be so, and wrongly I might add. Most "interpretation" has come from the liberal left looking to end run around the process when their ideas would never pass constitutionally.

    If it was so straight-forward and left no room at all for interpretation, then what is the Supreme Court's job exactly?

    To make sure that they are a check on the process, NOT to make law through fiat as has been done.


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    Re: Ezra klein 'constitution has no binding power on anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What bothers me so much about it is the absolute disdain that liberals have for anyone that doesn't see the world as they do. Yes, he wrote in his column trying to set straight his utterly stupid comments, but he failed while devolving into chiding those who saw and heard him say what possibly he didn't want to get out, and that is the unmasking of the true nature that liberals/progressives feel about our founding documents.





    So he says, I think he is a liar, and not a good one.





    That may be so, and wrongly I might add. Most "interpretation" has come from the liberal left looking to end run around the process when their ideas would never pass constitutionally.




    To make sure that they are a check on the process, NOT to make law through fiat as has been done.


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    Re: Ezra klein 'constitution has no binding power on anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What bothers me so much about it is the absolute disdain that liberals have for anyone that doesn't see the world as they do. Yes, he wrote in his column trying to set straight his utterly stupid comments, but he failed while devolving into chiding those who saw and heard him say what possibly he didn't want to get out, and that is the unmasking of the true nature that liberals/progressives feel about our founding documents.
    They're entitled to their opinion as are you. At the end of the day what they think doesn't much matter. The ultimate authority on Constitutional issues is the Supreme Court.

    So he says, I think he is a liar, and not a good one.





    That may be so, and wrongly I might add. Most "interpretation" has come from the liberal left looking to end run around the process when their ideas would never pass constitutionally.




    To make sure that they are a check on the process, NOT to make law through fiat as has been done.


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    Ah, well if you don't believe him, there's really not much else to say.

    As for the "interpretation", it's been done by both sides all through US history and with the support of the Supreme Court, who are then promptly accused of "activism" by whatever side feels wronged.
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    Re: Ezra klein 'constitution has no binding power on anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What bothers me so much about it is the absolute disdain that liberals have for anyone that doesn't see the world as they do.
    and, of course, there is NONE of that coming the other direction -- especially by those who define the world as a stark dichotomy between conservatives and liberals while making sweeping generalizations about the latter.
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    Re: Ezra klein 'constitution has no binding power on anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What bothers me so much about it is the absolute disdain that liberals have for anyone that doesn't see the world as they do.
    Blah blah blah, I've seen the same exact attitude from many conservatives on this forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So he says, I think he is a liar, and not a good one.
    Seeing as how the subject was the message he was trying to convey, and there's no evidence to contradict him, and many people here who don't even like the guy got what he meant, I think it's safe to say you're wrong at best and most likely too focused on scoring points.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That may be so, and wrongly I might add. Most "interpretation" has come from the liberal left looking to end run around the process when their ideas would never pass constitutionally.
    Oh, come on, both left- and right-leaning judges have pronounced unpopular interpretations of the Constitution and its bedrock principles.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    To make sure that they are a check on the process, NOT to make law through fiat as has been done.
    A binding interpretation of the law and its underlying theory or intent has the weight of law. It's the nature of our system and has been for a long long long time.
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    Re: Ezra klein 'constitution has no binding power on anything'

    one side openly embraces an evolving constitution, the other renounces it

    meanwhile, ezra klein, prominent wapo and newsweek columnist, frequent msnbc contributor, and punk founder of journolist (i wonder if he's yet taken his drug test and, if so, what were the results), admits the constitution is too difficult ("confusing") to comprehend because it's so old

    LOL!

    i'm surprised he didn't complain about its length

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    Re: Ezra klein 'constitution has no binding power on anything'

    I've said it many, many times.

    Context is entirely ****ing lost on some people.

    It completely blows my mind that people could actually interpret that conversation as Klein saying the constitution doesn't have binding power on anything. To me, this is someone steadfastly declaring that the sky is, in fact, purple.
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    Re: Ezra klein 'constitution has no binding power on anything'

    It has been demonstrated also on this forum that at the root of a number of liberal (according to lean) individuals belief system, is that the Constitution can be interpreted as having infinite power in these ways, except when explicitly prohibited:
    control over the market via commerce clause
    control over how it spend money via "general welfare'
    control over how much they can take from you via taxation

    And that's not exaggerating at all. They would argue it isn't true that power would actually be used, or practically COULD be used, but they believe it legitimately exists. I use to think constitutional issues were just rhetorical nonsense from the right...I was slowly shown that in the general sense, it really is a fundamental issue.

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    Re: Ezra klein 'constitution has no binding power on anything'

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Of course Jmac I have seen nothing but respect from you towards liberals who do not see things they way you do

    Never any insults, or comments about how they hate america etc. Purely discussions that are respectfull towards other peoples ideals
    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener
    and, of course, there is NONE of that coming the other direction
    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan
    Blah blah blah, I've seen the same exact attitude from many conservatives on this forum.
    No less than three immediate postings of how 'conservatives do it too' so it's ok. What a load of crap.

    Look, Klein got caught saying what he really feels, as do most libs that hold the disdain of constraint brought about by the constitution. deal with it.

    Instead we get, 'Aw, you're taking him out of context.' Or, 'He didn't mean that', or, 'you did it too'....etc. Instead of addressing why it is that liberals want to do away with constitutional restraints, and what they would have in place.


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