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    Gay Republican Group Prompts Split Among Conservatives

    Early this year, a striking scene emerged from the Conservative Political Action Conference: A speaker was essentially booed offstage when he condemned CPAC for allowing gay Republican group GOProud to participate in the conference.



    The incident - which occurred at perhaps the nation's premiere conservative gathering - suggested that, after decades of demonization, gays may have finally found a place in the GOP. Further evidence came when former Bush campaign manager Ken Mehlman came out of the closet - and was subsequently widely embraced by establishment Republicans.
    That's right, folks. Bigots are no longer welcome in the Republican Party, but that further divides a party already in the midst of a Civil War. Want to know my take on this? There is no place for bigots in the GOP. Let the nutters and birfers have them. If they leave, I believe that the Republican Party will be better off without them, as the moderates are beginning to come home. Big tent, anyone?

    Yet opposition remains to homosexuality remain strong among some conservatives. This week, two socially conservative groups, the Family Research Council and Concerned Women of America, announced that they are opting out of next year's CPAC because GOProud had been invited. The Family Research Council's Tom McClusky told far-right news website WorldNetDaily that part of the reason for the decision was CPAC's "movement away from conservative principles," as evidenced by the inclusion of GOProud.
    Away from Conservative principles? I call BS on that one. Conservatism is about personal freedom and responsibility, not about the Government having the power to dictate over ANY group. But don't take it from me. Take it from Ronald Reagan who, as he was about to run for President, personally got involved in Florida's Briggs initiative, backed by Anita Bryant, which had overturned an anti discrimination law there. His forceful intervention helped to get rid of the initiative. In the wake of Reagan's intervention, the Log Cabin Republicans were formed, and became part of Reagan's Big Tent.

    Here is a link to the web site of the Log Cabin Republicans.

    May the Republican Party once again be the party of Ronald Reagan and his big tent, and may the bigots, birfers, and other nutters leave and never come back. They are not needed, nor are they wanted. Let them join the Skinheads, the KKK, or the Neo-Nazi party, which is where they belong.

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    Re: Gay Republican Group Prompts Split Among Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    May the Republican Party once again be the party of Ronald Reagan and his big tent, and may the bigots, birfers, and other nutters leave and never come back. They are not needed, nor are they wanted. Let them join the Skinheads, the KKK, or the Neo-Nazi party, which is where they belong.
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    Yes, I always wondered how:

    "Small government!"

    became

    "Small government!*

    *except for homos. government should interfere there."
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    Those who do not support SSM are not bigots.
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    This is really great news for LGBT rights, because if both parties are on board, then there is nothing left to stop equality from happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Those who do not support SSM are not bigots.
    I think it honestly depends on WHY one does not support SSM, not simply that they don't.

    I know for you it's about protecting the sanctity of marriage, and the definition of the word, but honestly, nationally, that's not what this is about.

    If it was that simple, then why not have a Federal Law permitting civil unions?

    And if it should be down to the states, how come the Hawaiian governor vetoed a bill that would have granted civil unions?

    Hawaiian governor vetoes civil unions bill | The Upshot Yahoo! News

    Honestly, let it go. It's a word, and what marriage means to the Christian church, should not mean what marriage means to a neutral, and secular government.

    Whatever ones feelings are around this subject, and I Know for some it can get quite dogmatic, swallow your pride, and lets let our gay brothers and sisters, who mean us no harm at all, become as miserable as the rest of us. Why should members of the same sex, have any less right to marry if they're in love, then a scummy straight couple that married for money?

    Ideally speaking of course, religious dogma should not be used to deny people rights, DOMA Is a good example of this. There's no logical reason to deny gay people the right to marry, swallow your pride, and out dated definitions, change comes, don't get left behind.

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    Re: Gay Republican Group Prompts Split Among Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Those who do not support SSM are not bigots.
    No, but it also doesn't mean that those who do support it shouldn't have a place in the Republican Party.
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    Re: Gay Republican Group Prompts Split Among Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    … Bigots are no longer welcome in the Republican Party, but that further divides a party already in the midst of a Civil War. …
    The three major political factions of the conservative coalition, the Libertarians including the Tea Party Movementarians, the social conservatives, and, the pro-business conservatives, are increasingly finding it difficult to get along just as they are on the threshold of power and a major stake in the governance of the land. A charismatic leader like Ronald Reagan could impose peace and unite them for that final push into the limelight but at least for now there isn't any single leader with the standing and appeal to make it happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    The three major political factions of the conservative coalition, the Libertarians including the Tea Party Movementarians, the social conservatives, and, the pro-business conservatives, are increasingly finding it difficult to get along just as they are on the threshold of power and a major stake in the governance of the land. A charismatic leader like Ronald Reagan could impose peace and unite them for that final push into the limelight but at least for now there isn't any single leader with the standing and appeal to make it happen.
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    Re: Gay Republican Group Prompts Split Among Conservatives

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I think it honestly depends on WHY one does not support SSM, not simply that they don't.

    I know for you it's about protecting the sanctity of marriage, and the definition of the word, but honestly, nationally, that's not what this is about.

    If it was that simple, then why not have a Federal Law permitting civil unions?

    And if it should be down to the states, how come the Hawaiian governor vetoed a bill that would have granted civil unions?

    Hawaiian governor vetoes civil unions bill | The Upshot Yahoo! News

    Honestly, let it go. It's a word, and what marriage means to the Christian church, should not mean what marriage means to a neutral, and secular government.

    Whatever ones feelings are around this subject, and I Know for some it can get quite dogmatic, swallow your pride, and lets let our gay brothers and sisters, who mean us no harm at all, become as miserable as the rest of us. Why should members of the same sex, have any less right to marry if they're in love, then a scummy straight couple that married for money?

    Ideally speaking of course, religious dogma should not be used to deny people rights, DOMA Is a good example of this. There's no logical reason to deny gay people the right to marry, swallow your pride, and out dated definitions, change comes, don't get left behind.

    That's the word, I stick to it.

    Jetboogieman.
    excellent post
    I never bought into the BS of a persons OPINION on what the definition of the word marriage is, eventhough websters says same sex marriage is a marriage, I just let them think what ever they want

    I also never bought in to the "sanctity of marriage" thing either because so many (not all) cry about gay marriage and they are on their 4 marriage themselves or if i went to vegas and got married by a singing Elvis or just went to the magistrate and got married they wouldnt say ONE thing, even though they SHOULD be "offended" by that too

    just saying
    like you said, these unfair and discriminative practices WILL go to the way side sooner or later, I wouldnt be surprised if it happened with in the decade. We are one people and need to act like it.
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