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Gay Republican Group Prompts Split Among Conservatives

MrVicchio said:
I think it is most interesting that those that are more, to left around here are the most supportive of GOP Proud.
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Where is this support? I don't support them any more than I support the rest of the GOP.
 
Redress said:
I don't argue this point, but it is getting off topic. I linked the polls to show attitudes about gays in general, not gay marriage or whether it should be allowed.
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oh I know you werent I was just giving a side note since others seemed to think what they were saying mattered ;)
 
Moderator's Warning:
Hey folks, let's try and stay ontopic here(me included). The topic is GoPride and republicans.
 
The Prof said:
not on my mind, only on huffpo's, halperin's, mike cloud's, lambda's, nyt's, holder's, tony west's...

you see, they're not like me and you

they're important

read the links if you want to know what's going on

Paul Hogarth: Obama's DOMA Defense Unacceptable
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what on gods green earth are you talking about LMAO
do you often post random things and qoute people (me) and bring things up that have nothing to do with their (mine) stances and points?
 
will do, ill bail out then because I have no intrest in this thread other than discussing why people think its ok to discriminate against gays

later :D
 
Jetboogieman said:
Ah. I have no interest in rewarding anyone for being who they are.

Simply giving what is deserved.

If you can tell me one good reason why gays shouldn't be allowed to marry, or serve in the military, I may agree with you. But they cause no harm to anyone, they are decent, law abiding people just like the rest of us.
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I don't think so. Rewarding "special demographics" is what american liberals/leftists do. Not us. We should stick to the idea that all americans should/can succeed in life based on a commitment, to individual initiative, and personal responsibility not political patronage. (i borrowed heavily from andrew klaven on this)

If you want to debate the negative effects of modern humanist culture on traditional culture why don't we have a seperate thread on that?
 
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Centrist77 said:
I have no intrest in this thread other than discussing why people think its ok to discriminate against gays
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doj BRIEFS filed in summer, 09, provide HOLDER'S reasons for "discriminating"

but if you prefer the closely considered conceptions of the 60-second-click-and-submit crowd, more power to you

party on, happy new year
 
Centrist77 said:
Im sorry did I say they ALL were? nope, thats right I didnt LMAO nice jump though
If you read the link you will see the majority identified themselves as religious so YES religion played a role and lead the charge to discriminate. Thanks

"Religious groups led the tightly organized campaign for the measure, and religious voters were decisive in getting it passed. Of the seven in 10 voters who described themselves as Christian, two-thirds backed the initiative."


also those people dont matter when it comes to discrimination they are wrong.
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Depending on which polls you choose, 70-80% of Americans still identify themselves as Christian whether they attend church or not. Democrats vote against gay marriage. People of all races vote against gay marriage. The majority of people when the issue is put to a vote consistently vote against gay marriage. Take whatever spin you want, but that is the undeniable reality. Maybe its a moral opposition. Maybe they are evolutionists and cant abide by an act that defies natural laws of procreation and continuance of the species. Maybe they are science based and concerned that (supposedly) 5% of the populations still make up such a large percentage of HIV/AIDS victims or that they have to take action not to prevent unwanted pregnancy but from killing their partner.

But where the OP is concerned...since thats where this started...the OP is simply biased if it is focused on Republicans and their acceptance/tolerance of homosexuals (not acceptance of gay marriage...two very different things). The reality is that aside from exploiting homosexuals for their votes, democrats have people in their midst that consistently take on the same positions re homosexuals and homosexuality. Nothing but love for them...hope for their happiness...still dont agree with their choices, nor embrace it as 'right' or a societal norm. Right for them? Sure...fine...and know peace and happiness.
 
Redress said:
Really? It's all the liberal media's fault now?
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What? I certainly never said, nor was I implying any such thing. I just pointed out something that I felt was politically relevant, since this is a political discussion forum.

And it's just religious grounds? Even though FRC stated "However, we will no longer be involved with CPAC because of the organization's financial mismanagement and movement away from conservative principles"? (source: warning, WorldNutDaily link: Biggest conservative names bidding goodbye to CPAC) Sounds like their reason was political to me, by their own words made to a conservative media outlet.
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Concerning their objections about GOProud attending CPAC, yes, it's based solely on religious grounds and has nothing to do with political doctrine. That's all I was talking about.

I just didn't want anyone trying to associate their objection to GOProud, to conservative political beliefs.
 
Dutch said:
I don't think so. Rewarding "special demographics" is what american liberals/leftists do. Not us. We should stick to the idea that all americans should/can succeed in life based on a commitment, to individual initiative, and personal responsibility not political patronage. (i borrowed heavily from andrew klaven on this)

If you want to debate the negative effects of modern humanist culture on traditional culture why don't we have a seperate thread on that?
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Jesus H. Christ. You really are delusional aren't you?

Giving people equal rights is a reward is it?

Fantastic.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Jesus H. Christ. You really are delusional aren't you?

Giving people equal rights is a reward is it?

Fantastic.
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Marriage is a special right that nobody else has, but gays want.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Jesus H. Christ. You really are delusional aren't you?

Giving people equal rights is a reward is it?

Fantastic.
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There's no law gainst gays getting married. The state just won't issue them a marriage license. They can get married all they want.
 
apdst said:
There's no law gainst gays getting married. The state just won't issue them a marriage license. They can get married all they want.
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... you do realize that the denial of marriage licenses is the key point of contention, right?

Of course you knew that. You just decided to interject something ridiculous anyway.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Jesus H. Christ. You really are delusional aren't you?

Giving people equal rights is a reward is it?

Fantastic.
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Changing a cultural institution that's existed for thousands of years because of political patronage constitutes a reward. Calling me names doesn't change that fact or reflect well on your political stance, tho I've come to expect it of many american liberals/leftists.
 
Dutch said:
Changing a cultural institution that's existed for thousands of years because of political patronage constitutes a reward. Calling me names doesn't change that fact or reflect well on your political stance, tho I've come to expect it of many american liberals/leftists.
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Again, you can't seem to escape from arguing with a logical fallacy. If you don't stop this, you will never be taken seriously.
 
Deuce said:
Marriage is a special right that nobody else has, but gays want.
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Special right or cultural institution? Does the institution of marriage have a purpose such as a social vehicle for the procreation and rearing of individuals in a society or simply used as a reward for political support?
 
Your Star said:
Again, you can't seem to escape from arguing with a logical fallacy. If you don't stop this, you will never be taken seriously.
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I'm afraid I'm not terribly concerned with being taken seriously by those who seem entirely intolerant of me and mine. I'm here simply to learn. I can suggest, however, that if you continue to ignore the feelings and motivations of the majority of the inhabitants of this country you are doing yourself a disservice. Prop 8 passed in california of all places for a reason.
 
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Dutch said:
I'm afraid I'm not terribly concerned with being taken seriously by those who seem entirely intolerant of me and mine. I'm here simply to learn. I can suggest, however, that if you continue to ignore the feelings and motivations of the majority of the inhabitants of this country you are doing yourself a disservice. Prop 8 passed in california of all places for a reason.
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Ya know at one time the majority supported anti-miscegenation laws, just sayin'.
 
winston53660 said:
Ya know at one time the majority supported anti-miscegenation laws, just sayin'.
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Well most of the time people are too blinded by their own hypocrisy, racism, bigotry, or chauvinistic ways to see when they are being discriminatory and self serving.

It has happened a lot in history buy eventually the good guys win and sooner or later it will happen with this issue too.
 
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Last reminder: the topic is not gay marriage. We have hundreds of threads on gay marriage floating around, use one of those please or start your own. This thread should be about GOProud and the republican party. Thank you.
 
Dutch said:
I don't think so. Rewarding "special demographics" is what american liberals/leftists do. Not us. We should stick to the idea that all americans should/can succeed in life based on a commitment, to individual initiative, and personal responsibility not political patronage. (i borrowed heavily from andrew klaven on this)

If you want to debate the negative effects of modern humanist culture on traditional culture why don't we have a seperate thread on that?
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That's not what Ronald Reagan called it.
 
Republican disdain for groups like GOProud is one of the reasons I dislike the Republican Party.
 
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