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    Re: For many, Jesus isn't the reason for the season

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Maybe so. However the initial Catholic church also absorbed pagan priests and priestesses into their order when it became the state religion. Many say the Catholic worship of Mary and prayer to saints stems from wanting to make pagans who worship goddesses and many spirits feeling comfortable in the new state religion. It can be argued that placing Christmas on the 25th in order to absorb pagans isn't really Christian as much as it was the state religion wanting everyone to conform. I believe the ills of the early Catholic church are not Christian, but rather Catholic and do not reflect my views or my faith.
    Yes, this is all accurate, it was just the church, which in that time is the same as government, wanting everyone to be apart of it's religion. It was just one of many ways the church got people to conform.
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    Re: For many, Jesus isn't the reason for the season

    Christianity = the borg. Damn them for assimilating my holiday. It was so much better when it was Saturnalia.

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    Re: For many, Jesus isn't the reason for the season

    This is a good thing as far as I'm concerned.

    Christmas will be a much better holiday once it gets back to its roots. Christianity buggered up a perfectly good holiday and our materialist culture is the only thing that can give Christmas a semblance of its real meaning.

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    Re: For many, Jesus isn't the reason for the season

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's a shame that my religion's holiday has been hijacked by commercialism.
    it's a shame that your religion hijacked a pagan festival, you mean?

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    Re: For many, Jesus isn't the reason for the season

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Maybe so. However the initial Catholic church also absorbed pagan priests and priestesses into their order when it became the state religion. Many say the Catholic worship of Mary and prayer to saints stems from wanting to make pagans who worship goddesses and many spirits feeling comfortable in the new state religion. It can be argued that placing Christmas on the 25th in order to absorb pagans isn't really Christian as much as it was the state religion wanting everyone to conform. I believe the ills of the early Catholic church are not Christian, but rather Catholic and do not reflect my views or my faith.
    so you believe catholics aren't christian?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: For many, Jesus isn't the reason for the season

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Survey: For many, Jesus isn't the reason for the season - USATODAY.com


    Quite a few posters here have suggested that the celebration of Christmas is far less religious than it used to be (and that many non-believers celebrate it without caring that it's about Jesus Christ). This study confirms that.
    A lot of people celebrate Easter, the 4th of July, St. Patricks day, & Thanksgiving without knowing/caring what it's about either. In the end, it really doesn't matter. Why/How someone celebrates a holiday is up to him/her... it's only a hijack if you unwillingly accept the change and adopt it.

    This whole pagan "you stole our day" thing is kind of trivial... which, ironically, would mirror some Christian complaining about Santa becoming the main theme on Christmas day.
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    Re: For many, Jesus isn't the reason for the season

    I can certainly believe this. My family's Christmas celebrations have always been completely secular. And that's the way I like it.
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    Re: For many, Jesus isn't the reason for the season

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    It's a shame that my religion's holiday has been hijacked by commercialism.
    How has it been 'hijacked' by commercialism. You're still free to celebrate Christmas in whatever manner you choose to. Why does how other people choose to celebrate bother you?
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    Re: For many, Jesus isn't the reason for the season

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    How has it been 'hijacked' by commercialism. You're still free to celebrate Christmas in whatever manner you choose to. Why does how other people choose to celebrate bother you?
    Indeed. It is only an issue when people attempt to force a practice on you... and that hasn't happened with the commercialization of Christmas. "Hijacking" is too harsh a term... more like a migration toward alternative symbolism.
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    Re: For many, Jesus isn't the reason for the season

    Ya, i noticed alot of people treat christmas like st. patty's day or like a hash bash just an excuse to buy **** and get hammered

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