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    Re: Vice Admiral: Obama was outmaneuvered by Russians on START

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    Navy vet here. I was looking for this sanity. Thanks. I don't think these folks quite understand what our arsenal is, and where it is. Delivery systems are Ballistic Missile submarines and B-2 bombers. Our ICBM's are in places like Diego Garcia. Staging for Air Force nuclear ops is Alabama. Nukes themselves are in places like North Dakota. We also have drones now as well as cruise missiles which can be delivered in a myriad of ways.

    If I remember right, the silos are gone.
    Uh, yeah, that's because it's like, secret? Uh, yeah...
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    Re: Vice Admiral: Obama was outmaneuvered by Russians on START

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Unfortunately, the only way to find that out, is to employ the system in an actual attack.
    So why do we always test it under conditions nothing like a real attack? And we STILL fail 70% of the time.

    One thing's for certain, it definitely won't work if it isn't employed. That constitutes a guaranteed 100% failure rate. I'll take a 70% failure rate over that, any day.
    Or we could just rely on MAD and focus on the real ways they'll nuke us. And it would cost less.

    Why on EARTH would a state put all of the effort into a few missiles that would be shot down when they could just ship it via cargo container?

    Missile Defense is a socialist employment program. Nothing more.

    Uh, yeah, that's because it's like, secret? Uh, yeah.
    Um, not all of it. And much of it has been in the public knowledge for thirty or so years. You'd know that if you bothered to educate yourself before posting
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    Re: Vice Admiral: Obama was outmaneuvered by Russians on START

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So why do we always test it under conditions nothing like a real attack? And we STILL fail 70% of the time.



    Or we could just rely on MAD and focus on the real ways they'll nuke us. And it would cost less.

    Why on EARTH would a state put all of the effort into a few missiles that would be shot down when they could just ship it via cargo container?

    Missile Defense is a socialist employment program. Nothing more.



    Um, not all of it. And much of it has been in the public knowledge for thirty or so years. You'd know that if you bothered to educate yourself before posting
    I was about to agree with you until you hit the 'socialist' thing - when you overuse a false accusation you wear it out and turn it into just an old, abused and worn out term that means nothing.

    But up until that point I did agree with you - but on the basis that the system is purely a fail - pointless - and a classic waste of money. . . right along with the damned Osprey and Sharks with laser beams attached to their foreheads.
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    Re: Vice Admiral: Obama was outmaneuvered by Russians on START

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I was about to agree with you until you hit the 'socialist' thing - when you overuse a false accusation you wear it out and turn it into just an old, abused and worn out term that means nothing.
    That's the point. I'm trying to make the term worthless so that the idiots here who don't understand it stop using it. When they call a private sector medicial insurance bill "Socialist" they need to be smacked in the head. But in some aspects, Missile Defense is just a handout to companies and connected individuals.

    But up until that point I did agree with you - but on the basis that the system is purely a fail - pointless - and a classic waste of money. . . right along with the damned Osprey and Sharks with laser beams attached to their forheads.
    I have to disagree with you on the sharks. That would be 150% awesome.
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    Re: Vice Admiral: Obama was outmaneuvered by Russians on START

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So why do we always test it under conditions nothing like a real attack? And we STILL fail 70% of the time.
    Or, we could have just kept developing Star Wars and inrecepted those missiles before they re-entered the atmosphere.



    Or we could just rely on MAD and focus on the real ways they'll nuke us. And it would cost less.

    Why on EARTH would a state put all of the effort into a few missiles that would be shot down when they could just ship it via cargo container?

    Missile Defense is a socialist employment program. Nothing more.
    Because a nuke in shipping container will only kill a buncha people, in a coastal city, leaving all our nuke intact for retaliation. Only a complete dumbass would launch a nuke strike, without mingling in some point strikes to neutralize retaliatory systems. Oh, wait, I'm sorry 'bout that.





    Um, not all of it. And much of it has been in the public knowledge for thirty or so years. You'd know that if you bothered to educate yourself before posting
    Care to show it to us?
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    Re: Vice Admiral: Obama was outmaneuvered by Russians on START

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    That's the point. I'm trying to make the term worthless so that the idiots here who don't understand it stop using it. When they call a private sector medicial insurance bill "Socialist" they need to be smacked in the head. But in some aspects, Missile Defense is just a handout to companies and connected individuals.
    Oh - so by you using it out of context you're trying to make others look stupid?

    It's not working - I advise another tactic then.

    I have to disagree with you on the sharks. That would be 150% awesome.
    LOL - touche!
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    Re: Vice Admiral: Obama was outmaneuvered by Russians on START

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Uh, yeah, that's because it's like, secret? Uh, yeah...
    Um, actually, they're not, um, like, secret. Never were. Built in plain view for a reason. Missile silos are 10 miles away from the Launch Controls. When Salt II treaty decommissioned half of the missiles, they were destroyed on site and left out for the soviets to verify by satellite imagery back in the eighties.

    Duh.

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    Re: Vice Admiral: Obama was outmaneuvered by Russians on START

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    The better and smarter and cheaper course of action is for America to simply withdraw from political and military relations with countries in the eastern hemisphere. If America does that neither China nor North Korea will be a threat. The Chinese and North Koreans will be preoccupied with the nuclear weapons programs that arise in South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and Vietnam.
    Nice post. Just FYI, the likelihood of a nuclear weapons program in Taiwan is almost zero-. The China-friendly KMT isn't interested in pursuring it as they are trying to make buddy-buddy with Beijing and the pro-localization DPP has repeatedly said it completely renounces any nuclear weapons development. Stupid in my opinion, but that's that. I do agree that Japan and South Korea would under such a scenario develop them, and could do so in short order.
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    Re: Vice Admiral: Obama was outmaneuvered by Russians on START

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    You are absolutely right. The Russians and Americans have different legal interpretations of the effect of the clause in question in the Preamble of the Treaty. The Russians say it is mandatory and the Americans say it is precatory.

    These different interpretations give the Russians a public relations club with which to shape the actions of future American presidents.
    But only operative clauses of treaties and resolutions are binding, not perambulatory ones... but you are right, it will be used as a PR club...
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    Re: Vice Admiral: Obama was outmaneuvered by Russians on START

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    Um, actually, they're not, um, like, secret. Never were. Built in plain view for a reason. Missile silos are 10 miles away from the Launch Controls. When Salt II treaty decommissioned half of the missiles, they were destroyed on site and left out for the soviets to verify by satellite imagery back in the eighties.

    Duh.

    Tell ya what, Kid Rock boy: When you have actually served this country you claim to love oh so much, and have been blown up on her behalf, then talk to me. Until then, seriously, shut up when it comes to things you know nothing about.

    Kev316, HM2, 1st Battalion, 8th Marines, 2nd Marine Division. Beirut, 1983.

    Ohhh.. . one of those "I've served, you haven't so SHUT UP!!!" Sorry, in a free society, it doesn't work that way...

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