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    ARRRRRRGHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    Victims of clerical sex abuse have reacted furiously to Pope Benedict's claim yesterday that paedophilia wasn't considered an “absolute evil” as recently as the 1970s.
    In his traditional Christmas address yesterday to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI also claimed that child pornography was increasingly considered “normal” by society.
    “In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.
    “It was maintained — even within the realm of Catholic theology — that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a ‘better than' and a ‘worse than'. Nothing is good or bad in itself.”
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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    For a moral authority that "has remained constant throughout history" they sure fiddle a lot at the Vatican

    Meh, anyone who still thinks the Pope has divine authority has been seriously misled.

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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    So lets get this straight


    Birth Control is evil

    Raping little boys and girls good


    Man the RCC is messed up, perhaps molesting childern was the norm in the church, but having grown up in the 70s and 80s I dont recall child molestation as being something considered normal
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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    I don't suppose any Pope or Christian haters would care to see the actual text of the remarks, would they? No, they'd probably prefer to take someone elses word for what was written because it prevents them from clouding their minds with such trivial thins as 'facts'.

    Address by the Holy Father on the occasion of Christmas greetings to the Roman Curia

    We are well aware of the particular gravity of this sin committed by priests and of our corresponding responsibility. But neither can we remain silent regarding the context of these times in which these events have come to light. There is a market in child pornography that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society. The psychological destruction of children, in which human persons are reduced to articles of merchandise, is a terrifying sign of the times. From Bishops of developing countries I hear again and again how sexual tourism threatens an entire generation and damages its freedom and its human dignity. The Book of Revelation includes among the great sins of Babylon – the symbol of the world’s great irreligious cities – the fact that it trades with bodies and souls and treats them as commodities (cf. Rev 18:13). In this context, the problem of drugs also rears its head, and with increasing force extends its octopus tentacles around the entire world – an eloquent expression of the tyranny of mammon which perverts mankind. No pleasure is ever enough, and the excess of deceiving intoxication becomes a violence that tears whole regions apart – and all this in the name of a fatal misunderstanding of freedom which actually undermines man’s freedom and ultimately destroys it.
    In order to resist these forces, we must turn our attention to their ideological foundations. In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorized as something fully in conformity with man and even with children. This, however, was part of a fundamental perversion of the concept of ethos. It was maintained – even within the realm of Catholic theology – that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a “better than” and a “worse than”. Nothing is good or bad in itself. Everything depends on the circumstances and on the end in view. Anything can be good or also bad, depending upon purposes and circumstances. Morality is replaced by a calculus of consequences, and in the process it ceases to exist. The effects of such theories are evident today. Against them, Pope John Paul II, in his 1993 Encyclical Letter Veritatis Splendor, indicated with prophetic force in the great rational tradition of Christian ethos the essential and permanent foundations of moral action. Today, attention must be focussed anew on this text as a path in the formation of conscience. It is our responsibility to make these criteria audible and intelligible once more for people today as paths of true humanity, in the context of our paramount concern for mankind.
    Isn't it amazing how a few words seem completely different, when you actually surround them with ALL the words spoken, instead of cherry picking just a few and presenting those?
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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    “In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,” the Pope said.

    Oh - oh - oh
    And so we look to the 70's for truth and prosperity!

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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    For a moral authority that "has remained constant throughout history" they sure fiddle a lot at the Vatican

    Meh, anyone who still thinks the Pope has divine authority has been seriously misled.
    No one except Catholics have every thought this.
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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I don't suppose any Pope or Christian haters would care to see the actual text of the remarks, would they? No, they'd probably prefer to take someone elses word for what was written because it prevents them from clouding their minds with such trivial thins as 'facts'.

    Address by the Holy Father on the occasion of Christmas greetings to the Roman Curia




    Isn't it amazing how a few words seem completely different, when you actually surround them with ALL the words spoken, instead of cherry picking just a few and presenting those?
    after all, it's not as though people don't have enough REAL issues with the curch. no reason to invent them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    after all, it's not as though people don't have enough REAL issues with the curch. no reason to invent them.
    I don't completely disagree with that statement.

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    We are well aware of the particular gravity of this sin committed by priests and of our corresponding responsibility. But neither can we remain silent regarding the context of these times in which these events have come to light.
    Whovian, can you explain what that last sentence means? What exactly is the Pope trying to say?

    There is a market in child pornography that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society. The psychological destruction of children, in which human persons are reduced to articles of merchandise, is a terrifying sign of the times.
    There is no civilized society in which child pornography is "considered more and more normal." What the hell is he talking about??

    From Bishops of developing countries I hear again and again how sexual tourism threatens an entire generation and damages its freedom and its human dignity. The Book of Revelation includes among the great sins of Babylon – the symbol of the world’s great irreligious cities – the fact that it trades with bodies and souls and treats them as commodities (cf. Rev 18:13).
    So? What exactly is his point?

    In this context, the problem of drugs also rears its head, and with increasing force extends its octopus tentacles around the entire world – an eloquent expression of the tyranny of mammon which perverts mankind. No pleasure is ever enough, and the excess of deceiving intoxication becomes a violence that tears whole regions apart – and all this in the name of a fatal misunderstanding of freedom which actually undermines man’s freedom and ultimately destroys it.
    What does this have to do with pedophilia within the Catholic Church?

    In order to resist these forces, we must turn our attention to their ideological foundations. In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorized as something fully in conformity with man and even with children.
    Again, I ask you: What do you think that means?

    This, however, was part of a fundamental perversion of the concept of ethos. It was maintained – even within the realm of Catholic theology – that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a “better than” and a “worse than”. Nothing is good or bad in itself. Everything depends on the circumstances and on the end in view. Anything can be good or also bad, depending upon purposes and circumstances. Morality is replaced by a calculus of consequences, and in the process it ceases to exist. The effects of such theories are evident today. Against them, Pope John Paul II, in his 1993 Encyclical Letter Veritatis Splendor, indicated with prophetic force in the great rational tradition of Christian ethos the essential and permanent foundations of moral action. Today, attention must be focussed anew on this text as a path in the formation of conscience. It is our responsibility to make these criteria audible and intelligible once more for people today as paths of true humanity, in the context of our paramount concern for mankind.
    This is pure gibberish. Where's an acknowledgement that the Catholic Church failed its parishoners? Failed itself? Where's an apology? He should have kept his mouth shut.

    If you think reading it in full makes it any better, you're mistaken. IMO.
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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    Whats the context? Someone could say "Child Porn is becoming more normal in society." And mean it either as a warning or a good thing.

    For example what do gay marriage supporters say all the time "Being gay is being more normal and accepted in society every day."
    And what do non supporters say "Being gay is being more normal and accepted in society every day."

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