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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    The fact that the age of consent in the Vatican City is only 12 years may or may not have something to do with his statement..
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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Whovian, can you explain what that last sentence means? What exactly is the Pope trying to say?
    That the world is wicked and is becoming inured to these things.
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    There is no civilized society in which child pornography is "considered more and more normal." What the hell is he talking about??
    That the world is wicked and is becoming inured to these things.
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    So? What exactly is his point?
    That the world is wicked and is becoming inured to these things.
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    What does this have to do with pedophilia within the Catholic Church?
    Why does it have to relate to that?
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    Again, I ask you: What do you think that means?
    That to "resist these forces" that theorized "paedophilia was ... something fully in conformity with man and even with children"we need to "turn our attention to their ideological foundation".
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    This is pure gibberish. Where's an acknowledgement that the Catholic Church failed its parishoners? Failed itself? Where's an apology? He should have kept his mouth shut.
    The highlighted part is cited as a "fundamental perversion of the concept of ethos."
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    If you think reading it in full makes it any better, you're mistaken. IMO.
    You have somehow totally missed the mark and have turned the clear words into their opposite.

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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    The fact that the age of consent in the Vatican City is only 12 years may or may not have something to do with his statement..
    Actually, you're full of ****...

    Ages of consent in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The Vatican does not have its own separate criminal code. Instead, in matters of criminal law, as per Article 3 of the "Law of the Source of Law" (one of the six fundamental laws adopted upon ratification of the Lateran Treaty in 1929) the Vatican State generally uses current Italian national law, as well as regional and municipal laws for Rome, as long as they do not conflict with ecclesiastical law or laws specifically promulgated by Pope for the Vatican.[39]

    As a result, the age of consent is the same as that of Italy.

    Before January 1, 2009, the adoption by the Vatican of changes made by Italy in its laws was automatic. Effective January 1, 2009, the Vatican adoption of changes in Italian law is no longer automatic but comes into effect only after a review.[40] However, as Italy adopted its present age of consent before January 1, 2009, this change in Vatican policy does not affect the age of consent in Vatican City, which remains the same as that of Italy.

    The claim is sometimes found that "In the Vatican State, there is an equal age of consent set at 12 years of age",[41] but this is not correct. The misunderstanding derives from the fact that Vatican Law follows Italian law. In 1929, when the Lateran Treaty was signed, the age of consent in Italy was 12,[42] and so the same was true then in Vatican City. However, since that time the Italian law has been changed, and so the laws of Vatican City (in accordance with the policy that was in place until January 1, 2009) changed automatically with them.

    Since there has been no change in the Italian age of consent since January 1, 2009, the two remain identical with no further review by the Vatican.

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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    That the world is wicked and is becoming inured to these things.
    That the world is wicked and is becoming inured to these things.
    That the world is wicked and is becoming inured to these things.
    Why does it have to relate to that?
    That to "resist these forces" that theorized "paedophilia was ... something fully in conformity with man and even with children"we need to "turn our attention to their ideological foundation".
    The highlighted part is cited as a "fundamental perversion of the concept of ethos."
    You have somehow totally missed the mark and have turned the clear words into their opposite.

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    Hi, Simon. I know you spent a lot of time responding, but, seriously, I still do not understand what the pope was trying to say. So far, what I do understand from you is that he said the world is wicked and that it is becoming inured to these things. (I do not agree.) You say this: "That to "resist these forces" that theorized "paedophilia was ... something fully in conformity with man and even with children"we need to "turn our attention to their ideological foundation". What does that mean? Honestly, it makes no sense at all to me. And, please, don't bother insulting me in your response as few others understand it either.

    Can you paraphrase what he said? The entire context? I would thank you sincerely if you would.
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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    Yeah, it's 14. Big freakin' difference.

    The age of consent in Italy is 14 years, with a close-in-age exception that allows those aged 13 to engage in sexual activity with partners who are less than 3 years older. The age of consent rises to 16 if one of the participants has some kind of influence on the other (e.g. teacher, tutor, adoptive parent).[8] Not knowing the fact that the victim is underage is not a legal defense.[9] It is also illegal to perform sexual acts in the presence of a minor with the intent of allowing the minor to witness the acts, even if they do not take an active part.[10]

    See also related Wikisource articles from the Italian Criminal Code (in Italian). See also more related articles from Interpol website (in French).
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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yeah, it's 14. Big freakin' difference.



    Ages of consent in Europe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    OK.. so.. you blame Vatican City for the legal age of consent in the entire country of Italy... even though they follow Italian law, not the other way around? Kind of bass-ackwards.

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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    OK.. so.. you blame Vatican City for the legal age of consent in the entire country of Italy... even though they follow Italian law, not the other way around? Kind of bass-ackwards.
    No. I blame the pope for making a statement that insinuated that, since that's the case, it wasn't "evil" then:

    In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorized as something fully in conformity with man and even with children. This, however, was part of a fundamental perversion of the concept of ethos. It was maintained – even within the realm of Catholic theology – that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a “better than” and a “worse than”. Nothing is good or bad in itself.
    Where's the apology? Where's the regret? Where's an admission of the total abject failure of the Catholic Church to protect the least of us?
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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No. I blame the pope for making a statement that insinuated that, since that's the case, it wasn't "evil" then:



    Where's the apology? Where's the regret? Where's an admission of the total abject failure of the Catholic Church to protect the least of us?
    here's one apology and expression of remorse. I'm sure if you GOOGLE, you'll find more.
    Pope apologizes for priests' child sex abuse - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos

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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    here's one apology and expression of remorse. I'm sure if you GOOGLE, you'll find more.
    Pope apologizes for priests' child sex abuse - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos
    Thanks, Whovian. It is a little creepy to hear that Italy's age of consent is 14...

    I wonder if that means it's okay if they're 14....? Interesting. Not being smart-pantsed, but I can see a conflict there.
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    Re: Pope’s child porn 'normal' claim

    The pope is nothing but another politician with his hand caught in the cookie jar.

    His vague wandering speech reminds me of when Bill Clinton got his hand caught in the cookie jar. Clinton issued that famous line "It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." Total baloney by someone caught. Watch the show COPS and you can hear the same lame answers from the crooks trying to explain their actions.

    The only difference between Clinton and the Pope is that Clinton's cookie jar was over 21 yrs old and the Pope's cookie jar was around age 9.

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