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    Re: Supremes facing eligibility challenge to Obama, again

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    A free people has every right, actually a duty, to ask questions. If there is a formal vetting process in place for members of Congress, the President, Vice President, and other government officials to assure the country that these people satisfy the qualifications of office, it is reasonable to expect that that information would be made instantly public. Fact is, we don't have a formal vetting process. And how ridiculous is that???

    BTW, I believe he is a citizen. I argue the point only because the system is flawed.
    And I argue that anyone who questions the eligibility of a US President is stupid. This is because of the security clearance which is required to actually be President.
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    Re: Supremes facing eligibility challenge to Obama, again

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Do you believe those of us who thought Obama was a joke of a candidate are "stupid"?
    No. I know people who question Obama's citizenship status are stupid.
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    Re: Supremes facing eligibility challenge to Obama, again

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And I argue that anyone who questions the eligibility of a US President is stupid. This is because of the security clearance which is required to actually be President.
    And I argue that this vetting process should be public knowledge. It's that simple. And not the least unreasonable.

    Why would anyone disagree?
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    Re: Supremes facing eligibility challenge to Obama, again

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    And I argue that this vetting process should be public knowledge. It's that simple. And not the least unreasonable.

    Why would anyone disagree?
    Because there are certain things that they look into when doing the vetting process that should not be public knowledge. Like school records for example should not be public knowledge, but you have some that say they should be simply because they believe that the President isn't an American when all the agencies that have looked at the birth certificate have said it to be legit.

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    Re: Supremes facing eligibility challenge to Obama, again

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. I know people who question Obama's citizenship status are stupid.
    really-so you have reviewed the IQ scores of every such person? or you are just talking out your ass?



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    Re: Supremes facing eligibility challenge to Obama, again

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    Why is Turtledude's kid in the conversation?

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    Re: Supremes facing eligibility challenge to Obama, again

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Do you believe those of us who thought Obama was a joke of a candidate are "stupid"?
    can we narrow that down a bit to get a fairer answer?
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    Re: Supremes facing eligibility challenge to Obama, again

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Because there are certain things that they look into when doing the vetting process that should not be public knowledge. Like school records for example should not be public knowledge, but you have some that say they should be simply because they believe that the President isn't an American when all the agencies that have looked at the birth certificate have said it to be legit.
    I don't even know why school records would be part of the vetting process.

    Here are the only requirements to be President of the United States.

    No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

    Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 – ratified February 27, 1951

    No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.
    Presidential Nominee Checklist:

    Natural Born Citizen? Check.
    At least 35 years of age? Check.
    Resided in the U.S. for 14 years? Check.
    Hasn't been elected to the Presidency twice? Check.

    Okay, he's good to go.

    My questions are, "Who vets the candidates to make sure they are qualified to run?" And...."Why isn't that vetting process public knowledge?"
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    Re: Supremes facing eligibility challenge to Obama, again

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    really-so you have reviewed the IQ scores of every such person? or you are just talking out your ass?
    IQ is not a real measure of intelligence. A person can smoke 3 packs a day. That's stupid as they know they are harming their health. However they could probably sit down and solve equations. Likewise people who compose music are said to be 'intelligent' and yet, a large percentage of them end up penniless because they are too stupid to properly handle their money. A person who likes guns can talk about how much technical knowledge they have of guns and yet be completely ignorant about sociological processes which may seem obvious to others.
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    Re: Supremes facing eligibility challenge to Obama, again

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    IQ is not a real measure of intelligence. A person can smoke 3 packs a day. That's stupid as they know they are harming their health. However they could probably sit down and solve equations. Likewise people who compose music are said to be 'intelligent' and yet, a large percentage of them end up penniless because they are too stupid to properly handle their money.
    there are many reasons why someone could publicly question Obama's citizenship. SOme of them are perhaps stupid, some of them are just the cuttthroat political gotcha games that both sides play. SOme might have been doing it to try to keep a president they despise for policy reasons off balance. It happens all the time and while you might not like that claiming these machiavellian types are stupid is indeed stupid.

    I know a woman who is a major player in the GOP. I won't mention her name but she is an agnostic Jew. Yet, when she worked for the Bush administrations, she was a strategist who often was involved in the abortion debate. So I asked her at some point why an agnostic Jewish woman was pushing to limit abortions. she noted that doing that kept the feminist democrats off balance and defending turf they had already "captured" versus engaging in more offensive (vs defensive) actions. she really didn't care one way or another about the ISSUE. She cared alot about her side WINNING. Hardly stupid, she was summa cum Laude at Yale and top of her class at a major league law school



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