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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

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    Or are you intentionally "misunderstanding" it?
    It certainly would NOT be the first time this has happened here.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Of course the rich will always pay more because they make more. The flat tax means everyone pays the same rate but never the same amount. Not sure you understand the question. Throughout this thread the comments have been made about the rich paying their fair share and I simply asked what that fair share was and also asked if 47% not paying ANY FEDERAL INCOME Taxes was fair? Then I get the tax debate with claims that that 47% pay some taxes which was never the issue. The issue is FEDERAL INCOME TAXES!
    The reason that you get those posts is because by limiting it all to just federal income taxes you are not looking at the whole picture. I can't count how many times I've been told that only looking at part of the picture is not indicitive of what the whole picture is like.

    Is the way it all is now fair? On a 1:1 basis no it is not. The only way that it will ever be fair is if everyone pays the same amount...which just isn't possible.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

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    This isn't a right or left issue, this is a thread issue. Most other taxes are USE taxes so if you don't use the product or services you don't pay the taxes. Weren't you taught that? Seems you know what motivates everyone else which is normally the case when you are backed into a corner and try to change the topic.
    All taxes are "use" taxes (with the exception of the HCR fine). The only difference between a federal tax and a tax on a product is what is being used.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

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    How do the rich make you poor?
    Where did I say that the rich make me poor?
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sorry but the Bush tax cuts expired on the last day of this year. That was part of the law. They are done, over, finished, ended. The new bill passed by Congress establishes the same tax rates for another two years. The new law did indeed reduce tax liability that was part of the language of the previous tax bill that was signed into law. If nothing had been done there would indeed have been an increase that was passed earlier under Bush. To prevent that increase, the rates scheduled to go into effect on Jan.1, 2011 had to be reduced. Its amazing that you do not understand that simple fact of life.

    I do not know what you are talking about in your last paragraph. Sorry. Perhaps you can quote my exact words and tell me what you think I said.

    I have no idea what the word FAIR means in this context. I have repeatedly told you that but you persist like a small child who keeps pestering his parent until he gets what he wants simply by being a pest. It will not work as I have already explained to you several times. I would advise you to go back and read my previous posts.
    Now there is an interesting spin that once again ignores reality. Why were the Bush tax cuts scheduled to expire at the end of this year? As a professor of civics I am sure you can figure it out. Now also a professor of civics did you ever teach your students the role of the Federal Govt and the taxes that the Federal Govt. collects?

    I know this is hard for you but read the thread topic and stop diverting. Obama campaigned for three years to eliminate the Bush tax cuts then signs a bill extending those tax cuts including for the "rich" claiming now that the tax cuts are good for America. You don't see the hypocrisy there? As for the new bill, in your civics education did anyone explain to you what FICA funded? Cutting that tax cuts what?

    The last paragraph it does appear to me that since you believe that keeping more money reduces political power of the govt. I wonder why that is a bad thing. As for your previous posts my sincere hope is that there are other civics teachers out there that understand the true role of the Federal Govt.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Where did I say that the rich make me poor?
    Isn't that what you were implying, that somehow the rich got rich at the expense of the poor?

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

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    Isn't that what you were implying, that somehow the rich got rich at the expense of the poor?
    Nope. Just stating exactly the way it is. Or are you trying to say that the rich would still have all the material wealth they have even if no one worked for them? Of course without the rich the poor would not have the material wealth they have also for the simple fact that it is normally the rich who can make things happen. It is a symbiotic relationship.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Nope. Just stating exactly the way it is. Or are you trying to say that the rich would still have all the material wealth they have even if no one worked for them? Of course without the rich the poor would not have the material wealth they have also for the simple fact that it is normally the rich who can make things happen. It is a symbiotic relationship.
    So let me see if I have this correct, people that work for someone else are poor? How many rich people did Bill Gates make?

    You certainly have a distorted view of capitalism and free enterprise. If you work for someone else there is nothing preventing you from taking that experience and putting it to work for you in your own business so you too can become that person you want to hate, rich.

    Why is it in the liberal world that you refuse to acknowledge individual responsibilities and failures? You see it is always someone else's fault for personal failures. Carrying that through in life will allow you to become one of those that other liberals say they feel sorry for but in reality love to have you dependent on their social policies. Without class warfare and victims there would be no need for liberals.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

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    Why were the Bush tax cuts scheduled to expire at the end of this year?
    Because they were temporary.

    Now also a professor of civics did you ever teach your students the role of the Federal Govt and the taxes that the Federal Govt. collects?
    Yes.

    Obama campaigned for three years to eliminate the Bush tax cuts then signs a bill extending those tax cuts including for the "rich" claiming now that the tax cuts are good for America. You don't see the hypocrisy there?
    Obama STILL SAYS that tax cuts on the rich are bad. He admits that the Republicans held the rest of the 98% of the nation hostage and they only way he could get the tax reduction for the rest was to give it to the top 2% also. He came right out and said he did not agree with that aspect of the bill but was a realist.

    As for the new bill, in your civics education did anyone explain to you what FICA funded?
    Social Security, among other things.



    Cutting that tax cuts what?
    Nothing according to the President.

    As for your previous posts my sincere hope is that there are other civics teachers out there that understand the true role of the Federal Govt.
    Did I miss the part where you posted your academic credentials as an expert on those who teach government in public schools?
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So let me see if I have this correct, people that work for someone else are poor? How many rich people did Bill Gates make?

    You certainly have a distorted view of capitalism and free enterprise. If you work for someone else there is nothing preventing you from taking that experience and putting it to work for you in your own business so you too can become that person you want to hate, rich.

    Why is it in the liberal world that you refuse to acknowledge individual responsibilities and failures? You see it is always someone else's fault for personal failures. Carrying that through in life will allow you to become one of those that other liberals say they feel sorry for but in reality love to have you dependent on their social policies. Without class warfare and victims there would be no need for liberals.
    No, I have a realistic view of capitalism and free enterprise. I have not ever said that poor people cannot become rich or that a person is not responsible for how high they go. But even the people that work under Bill Gates is not as rich as Bill Gates...they are still poorer than him. The whole system is a pyramid. If you take out one part then you no longer have a pyramid.
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