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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Not avoiding it at all. Understand this straight out I DON'T CARE. Got that? If not here it is again....

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    Now what about that are you not clear about? No avoidance, no dodging, no weaving, no equivocation. Go back and read it again if you are still not clear about my attitude with your precious 47% figure.

    Any discussion of taxes in the USA that attempts to focus on just one single tax and ignores the dozens of other taxes that people pay in inherently a dishonest discussion.
    You don't care? Really? then why posting on this thread? This thread is about Federal Income taxes and the fact is you do care or you wouldn't be here and keep diverting to other taxes from the thread topic. No liberal can really defend their position thus the need to divert. Carry on!

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    OF course you don't care-as long as your taxes don't go up, you are happy with the rates of others increasing because that is how your party buys votes. I suggest if you don't care you ought to stop spewing your swill on this thread



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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    OF course you don't care-as long as your taxes don't go up, you are happy with the rates of others increasing because that is how your party buys votes. I suggest if you don't care you ought to stop spewing your swill on this thread
    You misunderstand completely and totally.

    I pay taxes. I care about my payment of taxes. I pay your precious income tax. I care about my payment of your precious income tax.

    What I DO NOT CARE ABOUT is that some people do not pay your precious income tax because you are attempting to use that narrow issue for your own economic and political purposes as a money and power grab.

    Got that?

    That is hardly 'swill' to inform people of what is going on. Or would you prefer that the curtain is not drawn back so they can see you behind it utilizing the smoke and mirrors for your own selfish purposes.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You misunderstand completely and totally.

    I pay taxes. I care about my payment of taxes. I pay your precious income tax. I care about my payment of your precious income tax.

    What I DO NOT CARE ABOUT is that some people do not pay your precious income tax because you are attempting to use that narrow issue for your own economic and political purposes as a money and power grab.

    Got that?

    That is hardly 'swill' to inform people of what is going on. Or would you prefer that the curtain is not drawn back so they can see you behind it utilizing the smoke and mirrors for your own selfish purposes.
    What really bothers me is that you seem to have grown up with that class envy attitude and believe that anyone who has a problem with 47% of the people not paying any Federal Income taxes is selfish. Instead of people keeping more of what they earn being selfish how about a bloated Federal govt. that has created dependence and promoted class envy all in an attempt to grow power. you and others like you don't seem to get it. People keeping more of what they earn promotes individual wealth creation and not Federal power growth.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What really bothers me is that you seem to have grown up with that class envy attitude and believe that anyone who has a problem with 47% of the people not paying any Federal Income taxes is selfish. Instead of people keeping more of what they earn being selfish how about a bloated Federal govt. that has created dependence and promoted class envy all in an attempt to grow power. you and others like you don't seem to get it. People keeping more of what they earn promotes individual wealth creation and not Federal power growth.
    Oh brother! Which website do you two go to for your daily talking points to make sure you are both on the same page? You should just print a link to it and save time for all concerned.

    Anyone trying to REDUCE their own tax burden while trying to INCREASE the tax burden on others is indeed motivated by what they can put in their own pocket. A fact like that is a stubborn thing and there is no disguising it. Is that selfish? I would guess that many would agree that it is.

    Yes I get it. But I just DO NOT CARE about it the way you want me to care about it. What part of I DON'T CARE needs further explaining to you?

    This entire effort is part of a right wing effort to decrease the political power of their opposition and increase the amount of wealth they have. This must always be right in the forefront of any discussion on this topic.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Oh brother! Which website do you two go to for your daily talking points to make sure you are both on the same page? You should just print a link to it and save time for all concerned.

    Anyone trying to REDUCE their own tax burden while trying to INCREASE the tax burden on others is indeed motivated by what they can put in their own pocket. A fact like that is a stubborn thing and there is no disguising it.

    Yes I get it. But I just DO NOT CARE about it the way you want me to care about it. What part of I DON'T CARE needs further explaining to you?

    This entire effort is part of a right wing effort to decrease the political power of their opposition and increase the amount of wealth they have. This must always be right in the forefront of any discussion on this topic.
    Sorry, you don't get it as you continue to divert from the thread topic in hopes of baiting me. This isn't about reducing my tax liability as the extension of the Bush tax cuts doesn't reduce anything, they keep things the same. The entire argument from the left is raising the taxes on the rich and you want to divert from that argument. I asked you what was a fair tax rate for the rich and pointed out that 47% of the income earners don't pay any Federal Income taxes. Is that fair?

    But we are getting somewhere as you seem to believe that taxes increase political power. Good, because that is right thus the reason the left is fighting so hard to raise taxes and why they have such passion for this issue. You fit right in with all other members of the left, but the difference is you cannot admit it.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

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    and where does it say that the rich are actually getting any additional benefits? They don't
    So?

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    the people who pay NO income tax actually get far more benefits FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT than those who pay 40% of the income tax and all the death tax
    Probably because the ones who instituted those benefits realized that people were more important than money, and a person who was poor were often more sick than those that were rich. As such they made very poor workers. (no pun intended) And that is what you don't realize Turtle, without the poor people, you wouldn't have the money or material wealth that you do.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    So?



    Probably because the ones who instituted those benefits realized that people were more important than money, and a person who was poor were often more sick than those that were rich. As such they made very poor workers. (no pun intended) And that is what you don't realize Turtle, without the poor people, you wouldn't have the money or material wealth that you do.
    How do the rich make you poor?

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sorry, you don't get it as you continue to divert from the thread topic in hopes of baiting me. This isn't about reducing my tax liability as the extension of the Bush tax cuts doesn't reduce anything, they keep things the same. The entire argument from the left is raising the taxes on the rich and you want to divert from that argument. I asked you what was a fair tax rate for the rich and pointed out that 47% of the income earners don't pay any Federal Income taxes. Is that fair?

    But we are getting somewhere as you seem to believe that taxes increase political power. Good, because that is right thus the reason the left is fighting so hard to raise taxes and why they have such passion for this issue. You fit right in with all other members of the left, but the difference is you cannot admit it.
    Sorry but the Bush tax cuts expired on the last day of this year. That was part of the law. They are done, over, finished, ended. The new bill passed by Congress establishes the same tax rates for another two years. The new law did indeed reduce tax liability that was part of the language of the previous tax bill that was signed into law. If nothing had been done there would indeed have been an increase that was passed earlier under Bush. To prevent that increase, the rates scheduled to go into effect on Jan.1, 2011 had to be reduced. Its amazing that you do not understand that simple fact of life.

    I do not know what you are talking about in your last paragraph. Sorry. Perhaps you can quote my exact words and tell me what you think I said.

    I have no idea what the word FAIR means in this context. I have repeatedly told you that but you persist like a small child who keeps pestering his parent until he gets what he wants simply by being a pest. It will not work as I have already explained to you several times. I would advise you to go back and read my previous posts.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Loose all your wealth? your envy is pretty common among people like you. Thanks for proving my point as to what motivates the looter class. People who pay most of the taxes benefit people like you. Tax consumers like you don't benefit those of us who pay taxes
    Didn't you read my post? Or are you intentionally "misunderstanding" it? I stated in it why I wished that you lost all your wealth. And it had absolutely nothing to do with "envy". If you didn't act like you were better than poor people and that you should have the right to rule them then I could care less if you kept your money or not. Would it be nice if I had more money? Certainly. But that doesn't mean that I would ordinarily begrudge anyone else their money. You just happen to be one of the rare exceptions because of your attitude.
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