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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

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    Actually the issue is taxation. Conservatives and right wingers simply want to narrow the field of discussion to ONLY income tax because right wing think tanks like Cato are pushing this new meme about the 47% in an attempt to both attack voting rights and alleviate the 'burden' of taxes on the wealthy. Never lose sight of what is really going on here. Lets not pretend this is something else other than a money and power grab.
    That is the topic of the thread. It is you that wants to expand the field from the thread topic in a feeble attempt to dig yourself out of the hold you are in and your totally illogical position. Still waiting for the "fair share" that the rich should pay?

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

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    No, please do not wish ill will to our rich people. Pleasssssssssssssssssssssssssseeeee do not do this! How will we fund our great society without people like turtle dude?
    the looters think they do us a service by existing and demanding we pay more taxes.



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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are simply following the marching orders of right wing think tanks like Cato and others who are attempting to frame the larger issue of taxation and public policy in its most narrow form possible because they believe they have a winning issue in that.

    Of course, as we found out right here on our little board when we polled the issue, there is no real support for linking income tax rates to the larger issue of citizenship rights. It fails miserably.
    Marching orders? LOL, that is what a liberal does when backed into a corner which you are. Read the thread topic and respond to that topic instead of diversion away from the topic of FEDERAL INCOME TAXES and the fair rate that the rich should pay? Right now 47% of the income earners pay no Federal Income taxes. Is that fair? Are you telling me that those 47% cannot pay anything in Federal Income Taxes? Do you really think that 47% of the people that don't pay any Federal Income Taxes have any problem raising the taxes on the other 53%?

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

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    That is the topic of the thread. It is you that wants to expand the field from the thread topic in a feeble attempt to dig yourself out of the hold you are in and your totally illogical position. Still waiting for the "fair share" that the rich should pay?
    You can wait until a certain mythical kingdom freezes over if it pleases you. That is up to you. Taxes are taxes are taxes. If Shakespeare did not put it that way he certainly could have. The right wing only wants to narrow this discussion to income taxes for political and economic reasons that they envision benefitting themselves. It is a pure and simple money and power grab. And since you are part of that you chose to ignore its darker motivations.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

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    Marching orders? LOL, that is what a liberal does when backed into a corner which you are. Read the thread topic and respond to that topic instead of diversion away from the topic of FEDERAL INCOME TAXES and the fair rate that the rich should pay? Right now 47% of the income earners pay no Federal Income taxes. Is that fair? Are you telling me that those 47% cannot pay anything in Federal Income Taxes? Do you really think that 47% of the people that don't pay any Federal Income Taxes have any problem raising the taxes on the other 53%?
    If you claim that Haymarket-who admits to being a dem party loyalist is taking his orders from his dem masters he gets upset. He WILL NEVER DEAL with your excellent point-the current system encourages the non-income tax payers to demand that the rates of others go up and up and up



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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    If you claim that Haymarket-who admits to being a dem party loyalist is taking his orders from his dem masters he gets upset. He WILL NEVER DEAL with your excellent point-the current system encourages the non-income tax payers to demand that the rates of others go up and up and up
    Actually all I advocate is a honest discussion based on honest figures. Any discussion with intentionally limits a discussion of taxation and how much a person pays but limits itself to a single tax, is structured to be dishonest right out of the gate.
    But you know that going in and you set it up that way intentionally to skew the results to fit into your own motivations, goals and efforts to grab money and power.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You can wait until a certain mythical kingdom freezes over if it pleases you. That is up to you. Taxes are taxes are taxes. If Shakespeare did not put it that way he certainly could have. The right wing only wants to narrow this discussion to income taxes for political and economic reasons that they envision benefitting themselves. It is a pure and simple money and power grab. And since you are part of that you chose to ignore its darker motivations.
    This isn't a right or left issue, this is a thread issue. Most other taxes are USE taxes so if you don't use the product or services you don't pay the taxes. Weren't you taught that? Seems you know what motivates everyone else which is normally the case when you are backed into a corner and try to change the topic.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually all I advocate is a honest discussion based on honest figures. Any discussion with intentionally limits a discussion of taxation and how much a person pays but limits itself to a single tax, is structured to be dishonest right out of the gate.
    But you know that going in and you set it up that way intentionally to skew the results to fit into your own motivations, goals and efforts to grab money and power.
    you want to try to avoid the fact that a large number of voters pay NO federal income tax by claiming since they pay other taxes that somehow is sufficient in a discussion about how those who don't pay the FIT have an incentive to jack up the rates on others.

    It is DISHONEST on your part to rant about FICA etc when this thread is about the INCOME TAX RATE Extension and why many of us tire of those who pay no FEDERAL INCOME TAX demanding that our rates go up.

    your crap about this skews the results is moronic-it is you who tries to squirt squid ink in the water.



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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually all I advocate is a honest discussion based on honest figures. Any discussion with intentionally limits a discussion of taxation and how much a person pays but limits itself to a single tax, is structured to be dishonest right out of the gate.
    But you know that going in and you set it up that way intentionally to skew the results to fit into your own motivations, goals and efforts to grab money and power.
    Here is the thread topic since obviously you don't quite get it yet even after 57 posts.

    Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts.
    The Bush tax cuts were rate cuts for all income earners. Right now 47% don't pay any Federal income taxes which no one wants to discuss. Is that fair?

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you want to try to avoid the fact that a large number of voters pay NO federal income tax by claiming since they pay other taxes that somehow is sufficient in a discussion about how those who don't pay the FIT have an incentive to jack up the rates on others.

    It is DISHONEST on your part to rant about FICA etc when this thread is about the INCOME TAX RATE Extension and why many of us tire of those who pay no FEDERAL INCOME TAX demanding that our rates go up.

    your crap about this skews the results is moronic-it is you who tries to squirt squid ink in the water.
    Not avoiding it at all. Understand this straight out I DON'T CARE. Got that? If not here it is again....

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    Now what about that are you not clear about? No avoidance, no dodging, no weaving, no equivocation. Go back and read it again if you are still not clear about my attitude with your precious 47% figure.

    Any discussion of taxes in the USA that attempts to focus on just one single tax and ignores the dozens of other taxes that people pay in inherently a dishonest discussion.
    Last edited by haymarket; 12-22-10 at 10:17 AM.
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