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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Its a bunch of bull that the libs spew. They constantly claim that the rich need to pay more yet they never deal with the fact that the rich pay for far more than they use. And that is undisputable. Its class warfare designed to buy the votes of their minions. the fact is, I don't care what sort of income someone has. If I am selling cars, if someone doesn't have the money they don't get a car-=that is not my fault. and people who demand more and more and more government services that they cannot afford to pay for are greedy looters. Libs constantly whine that the rich have a duty to fund the needs of the lazy, the untalented, and the unproductive but they never tell those people that they have a duty to stop demanding stuff they cannot afford to fund.
    I deal with it all the time with you. All the time. If I have dealt with it once, it has been dozens of times.

    Why do you persist in outright fabrications?

    You have been told over and over and over again in thread after thread after thread that it does not matter what relationship anyone has between payment of your damn sacred income tax and the rights of citizenship. It does not matter how much you pay or what you get back because there is not any relationship that is suppose to exist between those two. The relationship between the two is invented in your mind and is part of your belief system. In fact, it does not exist. In practice, it does not exist. In our nation, it does not exist.

    Now can you please be honest about this and stop lying that nobody deals with this claim of yours.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I deal with it all the time with you. All the time. If I have dealt with it once, it has been dozens of times.

    Why do you persist in outright fabrications?

    You have been told over and over and over again in thread after thread after thread that it does not matter what relationship anyone has between payment of your damn sacred income tax and the rights of citizenship. It does not matter how much you pay or what you get back because there is not any relationship that is suppose to exist between those two. The relationship between the two is invented in your mind and is part of your belief system. In fact, it does not exist. In practice, it does not exist. In our nation, it does not exist.

    Now can you please be honest about this and stop lying that nobody deals with this claim of yours.
    I would love for you to take your own advice and be honest for a change. Please name for me the services that the Federal Govt is to provide and then the services of the state and local govt? Seems to me you are easily confused and really need a basic civics course. Please tell me what is fair for the rich to pay of Federal Income taxes based upon the services that the Federal Govt. provides? Thank you.

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    its really hard to listen to people like Haymarket howling that us who are net tax payers have a duty to abide by the votes of the looters when he never wants to put any limitations or responsibilities onto them. Its because he wants them to continually electing welfare-socialists that he works for.
    It is not ME who is telling you that the people have a right to vote and elect their representatives, it is the US Constitution for heavens sake. Where do you get off telling me and others what we are or are not concerned about regarding what responsibilities citizens have? If you have some evidence of my posts stating such things please be decent and honest and present them here for all to see. In the absence of it, please refrain from such irresponsible statements that only make you look like you are talking our of a place far lower than your upper orifice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I would love for you to take your own advice and be honest for a change. Please name for me the services that the Federal Govt is to provide and then the services of the state and local govt? Seems to me you are easily confused and really need a basic civics course. Please tell me what is fair for the rich to pay of Federal Income taxes based upon the services that the Federal Govt. provides? Thank you.
    Good lord man. I taught the basic civics course for 33 years. If you want to know about the three levels of government and the three branches of government and what their functions are I strongly advise you to purchase a basic US Government text book and begin reading now. I used several in my time but my favorite was AMERICAN GOVERNMENT: Principles and Practices by Turner, Switzer & Redden. It was published by Merrill.

    http://www.amazon.com/American-Gover.../dp/0028238966

    This is the latest edition. The one I used had an additional 100 pages so I cannot say if it is improved or lessened. But it was first rate in every way possible and one of the best textbooks I every used or saw.

    All your questions will be answered in there.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

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    I would love for you to take your own advice and be honest for a change. Please name for me the services that the Federal Govt is to provide and then the services of the state and local govt? Seems to me you are easily confused and really need a basic civics course. Please tell me what is fair for the rich to pay of Federal Income taxes based upon the services that the Federal Govt. provides? Thank you.
    Section 8 - Powers of Congress

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

    To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

    To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

    To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;

    To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

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    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And

    To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof
    Hows that for a list of services provided by the federal government?

    For the states...well I'm not going to look up every single state so I'll just give you the state in which I reside....

    Idaho State Constitution
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Libs also realize there are more looters than there are producers in many congressional districts and since the looters can sometimes outvote the producers, it is perfectly fine for the looters to constantly vote themselves the wealth of others. They NEVER EVER are willing to deal with the long term problem that when a majority of voters are looters, there is nothing to stop them voting themselves everyone else's wealth. Of course, many of the top taxpayers will leave meaning that the looters will have less wealth to take and then things will get really ugly
    You know turtledude...One day I hope to God that you loose all of your wealth. Not to be an ass or anything but to show you, teach you what it is actually like to be poor. Because you have NO CLUE what it is like or about.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    its really hard to listen to people like Haymarket howling that us who are net tax payers have a duty to abide by the votes of the looters when he never wants to put any limitations or responsibilities onto them. Its because he wants them to continually electing welfare-socialists that he works for.
    If you don't like it then move out of the country and renounce your citizenship. Because we're not the ones that are telling you that you have to abide by anything. There are only two things that do that. 1: You. 2: The Constitution of the United States of America. And number 2 isn't even binding for the simple fact that you can move out of the US and renounce citizenship.
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    No, please do not wish ill will to our rich people. Pleasssssssssssssssssssssssssseeeee do not do this! How will we fund our great society without people like turtle dude?
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Good lord man. I taught the basic civics course for 33 years. If you want to know about the three levels of government and the three branches of government and what their functions are I strongly advise you to purchase a basic US Government text book and begin reading now. I used several in my time but my favorite was AMERICAN GOVERNMENT: Principles and Practices by Turner, Switzer & Redden. It was published by Merrill.

    Amazon.com: American Government: Principles and Practice (9780028238968): Mary Jane Turner, Kenneth Switzer, Charlotte Redden: Books

    This is the latest edition. The one I used had an additional 100 pages so I cannot say if it is improved or lessened. But it was first rate in every way possible and one of the best textbooks I every used or saw.

    All your questions will be answered in there.
    then that is scary, as I pointed out there are Federal Responsibilities and state responsibilities. I asked what the fair tax rate was for the rich and this is what I get? Then you ignore that 47% of the income earners don't pay any Federal Income taxes. Is that fair? It does seem that you have a problem with what you actually taught and don't understand what the various taxes fund or the actual role of the Federal Govt. What is the fair tax rate for the rich in your world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Hows that for a list of services provided by the federal government?

    For the states...well I'm not going to look up every single state so I'll just give you the state in which I reside....

    Idaho State Constitution

    The question was what is a fair rate for the Federal Govt. to tax the rich? I keep hearing liberals claiming that the rich need to pay their fair share and I rightly pointed out that 47% of the income earners in this country don't pay any FEDERAL INCOME TAXES so it does seem that you and others here have a problem understanding the difference between Federal and State tax rates and what they fund. I have no problem understanding the role of the Federal Govt. but it seems that isn't the case here for many. What is the fair FEDERAL tax rate for the rich?

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    The question was what is a fair rate for the Federal Govt. to tax the rich? I keep hearing liberals claiming that the rich need to pay their fair share and I rightly pointed out that 47% of the income earners in this country don't pay any FEDERAL INCOME TAXES so it does seem that you and others here have a problem understanding the difference between Federal and State tax rates and what they fund. I have no problem understanding the role of the Federal Govt. but it seems that isn't the case here for many. What is the fair FEDERAL tax rate for the rich?
    The same amount that they charge everyone else. I support the flat tax. Of course the rich would still complain that they were paying out more than anyone else. Which they would be...that's what happens when you base taxes on percentages rather than an exact dollar amount. But you can't really do dollar amounts either since spending is often a fluid system. Not to mention charging 30k per year from someone that is poor means that you're not going to get that 30k and likewise charging everyone 10 bucks a year is not going to get the bills payed.

    Point is that the rich in our society will always have to pay more to the government than the poor. Is it fair? Probably not. But just because they may pay more doesn't give them the right to rule over everyone else like turtledude wants.
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