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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the people who are always spoiled are those who have full citizenship yet pay almost nothing to fund the country.

    the rich-even with those tax cuts-pay (the top 1 percent) 40% of the income tax and almost all the death tax. The top 5% pay more than HALF the income tax. They sure weren't being GIVEN money by the goverment.
    When will you get in into your head that nobody has to PAY $$$ for rights of citizenship? Something like the right to vote is guaranteed by the US Constitution and it expressly forbids any sort of tax being connected with the right to vote. In addition, your blind insistence on looking at only the income tax ignores the fact that lots of people pay many other taxes and are darn well paying for this country. Many people here have repeatedly told you that in man threads when you bring up this idea.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    When will you get in into your head that nobody has to PAY $$$ for rights of citizenship? Something like the right to vote is guaranteed by the US Constitution and it expressly forbids any sort of tax being connected with the right to vote. In addition, your blind insistence on looking at only the income tax ignores the fact that lots of people pay many other taxes and are darn well paying for this country. Many people here have repeatedly told you that in man threads when you bring up this idea.
    libs constantly say that the rich aren't paying their fair share as citizens.

    The income tax and the death tax are the ones that are the topics during elections. since they vary depending on the citizen they are the ones that can be used to manipulate voting patterns. Your silly parrot rant that "many" (ie four or five libs) keep spewing leftwing drivel at me means nothing

    Your leghumping is getting tiresome



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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

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    Your leghumping is getting tiresome
    This is at least the fifth time you have used a term like this and its extremely creepy and indicative of some sort of problem on your part. I am a member of this board and as such will use all the rights available to me to comment on anything posted on this board. It seems that you are attempting to impinge on my freedom to do so. You want to be able to post the same talking point over and over and over again in thread after thread after thread ad no matter how many times it is refuted you still keep coming back.

    It is has been pointed out to you repeatedly that the US Constitution expressly prohibits any sort of tax from being connected with the right to vote. So there is no basis in fact or practice for your contention.

    Then you claim that all you are doing is proposing a possibility which should be considered in discussion. fine. So we had a thread and a poll on the subject where your idea was voted down 50 to 4 and even one of the 4 said they voted by mistake. So your idea was heard. Your idea was discussed. Your idea was debated. Your idea received a thorough hearing. And then your idea was thoroughly rejected in a extremely lopsided vote.

    But being the True Believer that you are, you will not give up and keep harping on the exact same thing in thread after thread after thread. And if that is your right to do that, it is also the right of everyone else here including myself, to point this out to you.

    I made you an offer. Put aside all this talk of Democrats overtaxing the rich in order to buy votes and power and advocating we change the vote to be connected with paying of income taxes. Put it aside for thirty days. Let it rest for heavens sake. Give the entire board a Christmas present. And I will not respond to what is not there and we can all move on.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    libs constantly say that the rich aren't paying their fair share as citizens.

    The income tax and the death tax are the ones that are the topics during elections. since they vary depending on the citizen they are the ones that can be used to manipulate voting patterns. Your silly parrot rant that "many" (ie four or five libs) keep spewing leftwing drivel at me means nothing

    Your leghumping is getting tiresome
    Have you noticed that no Obama supporter had defined "fair share" in talking about taxes on the rich? What exactly is that fair share number from the liberals/progressives here.

    Listened to Barney Frank yesterday on the Estate Taxes and as usual he made me sick.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Have you noticed that no Obama supporter had defined "fair share" in talking about taxes on the rich? What exactly is that fair share number from the liberals/progressives here.

    Listened to Barney Frank yesterday on the Estate Taxes and as usual he made me sick.
    The "fair share" argument is a red herring. We have an elected government which makes this determination and enacts it into law.
    Taxes are simply the price we pay for a civilized society. Oliver Wendell Holmes said that. It was true then and it is true today.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The "fair share" argument is a red herring. We have an elected government which makes this determination and enacts it into law.
    Taxes are simply the price we pay for a civilized society. Oliver Wendell Holmes said that. It was true then and it is true today.
    Yes, it is a red herring but used all the time. If you don't use that term, great but others do and the question is to them. Put an amount to fair share? Since the rich aren't paying their "fair share" according to many isn't it time to define fair share?

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Have you noticed that no Obama supporter had defined "fair share" in talking about taxes on the rich? What exactly is that fair share number from the liberals/progressives here.

    Listened to Barney Frank yesterday on the Estate Taxes and as usual he made me sick.
    Its a bunch of bull that the libs spew. They constantly claim that the rich need to pay more yet they never deal with the fact that the rich pay for far more than they use. And that is undisputable. Its class warfare designed to buy the votes of their minions. the fact is, I don't care what sort of income someone has. If I am selling cars, if someone doesn't have the money they don't get a car-=that is not my fault. and people who demand more and more and more government services that they cannot afford to pay for are greedy looters. Libs constantly whine that the rich have a duty to fund the needs of the lazy, the untalented, and the unproductive but they never tell those people that they have a duty to stop demanding stuff they cannot afford to fund.



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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yes, it is a red herring but used all the time. If you don't use that term, great but others do and the question is to them. Put an amount to fair share? Since the rich aren't paying their "fair share" according to many isn't it time to define fair share?
    Libs also realize there are more looters than there are producers in many congressional districts and since the looters can sometimes outvote the producers, it is perfectly fine for the looters to constantly vote themselves the wealth of others. They NEVER EVER are willing to deal with the long term problem that when a majority of voters are looters, there is nothing to stop them voting themselves everyone else's wealth. Of course, many of the top taxpayers will leave meaning that the looters will have less wealth to take and then things will get really ugly

    The libs never want to address what responsibilities the net tax consumers have--such as to stop engaging in costly unproductive behaviour like breeding like rabbits, dropping out of school due to pregnancy or drugs or crime etc.

    its really hard to listen to people like Haymarket howling that us who are net tax payers have a duty to abide by the votes of the looters when he never wants to put any limitations or responsibilities onto them. Its because he wants them to continually electing welfare-socialists that he works for.



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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Its a bunch of bull that the libs spew. They constantly claim that the rich need to pay more yet they never deal with the fact that the rich pay for far more than they use. And that is undisputable. Its class warfare designed to buy the votes of their minions. the fact is, I don't care what sort of income someone has. If I am selling cars, if someone doesn't have the money they don't get a car-=that is not my fault. and people who demand more and more and more government services that they cannot afford to pay for are greedy looters. Libs constantly whine that the rich have a duty to fund the needs of the lazy, the untalented, and the unproductive but they never tell those people that they have a duty to stop demanding stuff they cannot afford to fund.
    Yep, latest numbers show that the rich make 20% of all the income and pay 40% of the Federal income taxes with 47% of the income earners paying nothing in Federal Income taxes. so much for being fair.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Libs also realize there are more looters than there are producers in many congressional districts and since the looters can sometimes outvote the producers, it is perfectly fine for the looters to constantly vote themselves the wealth of others. They NEVER EVER are willing to deal with the long term problem that when a majority of voters are looters, there is nothing to stop them voting themselves everyone else's wealth. Of course, many of the top taxpayers will leave meaning that the looters will have less wealth to take and then things will get really ugly

    The libs never want to address what responsibilities the net tax consumers have--such as to stop engaging in costly unproductive behaviour like breeding like rabbits, dropping out of school due to pregnancy or drugs or crime etc.

    its really hard to listen to people like Haymarket howling that us who are net tax payers have a duty to abide by the votes of the looters when he never wants to put any limitations or responsibilities onto them. Its because he wants them to continually electing welfare-socialists that he works for.
    "When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -- Ben Franklin
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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