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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

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    You continue to miss the point and that is the size of the Federal Govt and the expenses at the federal level that the taxpayers have to fund. You ignore that many of those expenses are duplicated at the state level as well which leads to the question as to why?

    I am one here that admires you for staying at home with your kids but again the issue isn't state or local taxes, the question is who should fund the Federal Govt and why 47% of the people including you can't provide something?
    No you continue to miss the point. The point is that people like me simply cannot pay any more into the federal government. If we had to then we would be living on the street. It is as simple as that. It is because of state taxes and other bills that we cannot. I really don't know how to explain this any more than I already have.

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    Actually the opportunities are much greater at that income level than you would think. I live in TX and stories every day are about people like you that fled high tax states to move here where jobs are being created. Good people take lemons and turn them into lemonade rather than sit around in a high tax state. TX doesn't have a state income tax and it doesn't cost $640 a month for day care.

    Yes, it is just as simple as that, move where you want to move or stay where you want to stay. Neither changes the size or the role of the Federal Govt. nor does it change the reality that 47% of the people including you pay nothing for the the Federal Expenses that benefit all Americans.
    No it is not that simple. Each person has a different amount of bills to pay. Some more, some less. I have not stated how much other bills I have that need to be paid before I could even consider moving. They were not germane to the subject at hand. But if you really want to know I'll state a few of them. Just say the word.

    Believe me, I wouldn't mind moving for the simple fact that I know I could get a job over in N. Dakota that pays good. Unfortenately I have other obligations to attend to that preclude moving at this time.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Kal'Stang;1059176738]No you continue to miss the point. The point is that people like me simply cannot pay any more into the federal government. If we had to then we would be living on the street. It is as simple as that. It is because of state taxes and other bills that we cannot. I really don't know how to explain this any more than I already have.
    Any more? You don't pay a dime now. I don't know how to explain it to you but 53% of the income earners in this country are paying your share of the govt. Apparently that doesn't bother you. Stop complaining about what someone else pays and worry about your own situation. By the way, you own a computer and pay a fee for service, apparently a necessity to you?

    No it is not that simple. Each person has a different amount of bills to pay. Some more, some less. I have not stated how much other bills I have that need to be paid before I could even consider moving. They were not germane to the subject at hand. But if you really want to know I'll state a few of them. Just say the word.
    Right, personal responsibility issues. Who do you think should pay for your choice? Interesting, you don't work outside the home now. Are you looking for work outside your state? Doubt it and therein lies the problem. You have no problem expecting others to pay for your share of the Federal Govt?

    Believe me, I wouldn't mind moving for the simple fact that I know I could get a job over in N. Dakota that pays good. Unfortenately I have other obligations to attend to that preclude moving at this time.
    Other obligations that again are personal choice. Again, I admire you for staying home with the kids as it will pay dividends in the long run, but the problem is 53% of the income earners are paying your share of the cost of this govt. Something to think about.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

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    Any more? You don't pay a dime now. I don't know how to explain it to you but 53% of the income earners in this country are paying your share of the govt. Apparently that doesn't bother you. Stop complaining about what someone else pays and worry about your own situation. By the way, you own a computer and pay a fee for service, apparently a necessity to you?



    Right, personal responsibility issues. Who do you think should pay for your choice? Interesting, you don't work outside the home now. Are you looking for work outside your state? Doubt it and therein lies the problem. You have no problem expecting others to pay for your share of the Federal Govt?





    Other obligations that again are personal choice. Again, I admire you for staying home with the kids as it will pay dividends in the long run, but the problem is 53% of the income earners are paying your share of the cost of this govt. Something to think about.
    seems to me he is paying his fair share, as decided by the people.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Any more? You don't pay a dime now. I don't know how to explain it to you but 53% of the income earners in this country are paying your share of the govt. Apparently that doesn't bother you. Stop complaining about what someone else pays and worry about your own situation. By the way, you own a computer and pay a fee for service, apparently a necessity to you?
    As I demonstrated earlier we DO pay federal income taxes. We just get it all back come tax season. That federal income tax is still being taking out each and every pay check. That is still money gone from our pockets that we never see until tax season comes along.

    As for it not bothering me, think again. I have already stated in several posts in this very thread that I support a flat tax. That would mean that I pay into the federal government and get none of it back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right, personal responsibility issues. Who do you think should pay for your choice? Interesting, you don't work outside the home now. Are you looking for work outside your state? Doubt it and therein lies the problem. You have no problem expecting others to pay for your share of the Federal Govt?

    Other obligations that again are personal choice. Again, I admire you for staying home with the kids as it will pay dividends in the long run, but the problem is 53% of the income earners are paying your share of the cost of this govt. Something to think about.
    Wow, the arrogance. Tell me, is electricity a personal choice? Is gas for heating and cooking a personal choice? Is a garnishment a personal choice? Are clothes a personal choice? Is food a personal choice?

    Could I just leave most of these bills behind without paying them? Sure I could. But then I would be a thief wouldn't I? I am no thief.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    seems to me he is paying his fair share, as decided by the people.
    That is the point Turtle has been making over and over, there is no incentive on his part or any of the other 47% to cut the size of govt. since they aren't paying for it.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    As I demonstrated earlier we DO pay federal income taxes. We just get it all back come tax season. That federal income tax is still being taking out each and every pay check. That is still money gone from our pockets that we never see until tax season comes along.

    As for it not bothering me, think again. I have already stated in several posts in this very thread that I support a flat tax. That would mean that I pay into the federal government and get none of it back.



    Wow, the arrogance. Tell me, is electricity a personal choice? Is gas for heating and cooking a personal choice? Is a garnishment a personal choice? Are clothes a personal choice? Is food a personal choice?

    Could I just leave most of these bills behind without paying them? Sure I could. But then I would be a thief wouldn't I? I am no thief.
    you really should consider upping your exemptions so you come out even. that way maybe you could earn a little interest.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    As I demonstrated earlier we DO pay federal income taxes. We just get it all back come tax season. That federal income tax is still being taking out each and every pay check. That is still money gone from our pockets that we never see until tax season comes along.

    As for it not bothering me, think again. I have already stated in several posts in this very thread that I support a flat tax. That would mean that I pay into the federal government and get none of it back.



    Wow, the arrogance. Tell me, is electricity a personal choice? Is gas for heating and cooking a personal choice? Is a garnishment a personal choice? Are clothes a personal choice? Is food a personal choice?

    Could I just leave most of these bills behind without paying them? Sure I could. But then I would be a thief wouldn't I? I am no thief.
    this thread is about Federal Income taxes, say it over and over again and maybe it will stick. 53% of the INCOME EARNERS are paying for the rest of the population including the 47% of income earners that pay nothing. The fact that you are giving the govt. an interest free loan without any outrage is quite tellling. Glad you support the flat tax but then how does the flat tax affect you other than make you pay what you tell me you cannot afford?

    You and others ought to be very concerned about the size of this govt. and why it is so big thus requiring more income taxes on that 53%?

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is the point Turtle has been making over and over, there is no incentive on his part or any of the other 47% to cut the size of govt. since they aren't paying for it.
    No incentive to cut the size of government? Seriously? Do you think that taxes are the only reason to want to cut the size of government?
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No incentive to cut the size of government? Seriously? Do you think that taxes are the only reason to want to cut the size of government?
    Taxes are a means for paying for the govt we have and if you cut the size of govt. by cutting some of the categories I posted you wouldn't need as much taxes and there wouldn't be an issue of trying to take more from a certain economic class.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    you really should consider upping your exemptions so you come out even. that way maybe you could earn a little interest.
    Finally, a post from you that I can agree with.

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