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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

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    Now you are engaging in complete dishonesty. The study was not from either the Communist Party nor the John Birch Society.
    You tried to bolster a biased leftwing propaganda piece by claiming that the group that sponsored it was a LEGAL organization and I merely noted OTHER BIASED ORGANIZATIONS are legal but hardly credible. DUH



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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You tried to bolster a biased leftwing propaganda piece by claiming that the group that sponsored it was a LEGAL organization and I merely noted OTHER BIASED ORGANIZATIONS are legal but hardly credible. DUH
    No. What you are attempting to do is to ignore the message and attack what you think is the messenger.

    btw - the Citizens for Tax Justice has had their work praised by the Wall Street Journal. I would guess you are familiar with their editorial policies regarding both economics and politics.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sorry but I am not dictating anything. All I am trying to do is to introduce the complete picture of taxation upon the citizen.

    Why would you object to the complete picture?
    Because the complete picture that you are trying to paint ignores personal choice which isn't an option with Federal Income taxes thus is hardly complete. Nor is that so called complete picture the thread topic. do you think it is fair for 47% of the American income earners NOT to pay any Federal Income Taxes?

    You continue to divert from the reality which is

    The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all Federal Income taxes.
    The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all Federal Income taxes.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Taxes are taxes are taxes. The citizen has to pay money to the government. period.

    Why are you trying to deceive people with incomplete information that paints a dishonest picture of taxation and the burden of taxation in America when you focus narrowly on only one tax and willfully ignore all the others?
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No. What you are attempting to do is to ignore the message and attack what you think is the messenger.

    btw - the Citizens for Tax Justice has had their work praised by the Wall Street Journal. I would guess you are familiar with their editorial policies regarding both economics and politics.
    Why is Citizens for Tax Justice credible to you but the IRS data which I continue to post not? You think a poll is more accurate than actual data compiled by the IRS? What method was used by this group to measure taxes collected from 50 different tax structures and how would they measure how much in sales taxes are collected from a particular group. The IRS data is on Federal Income tax filings. How many file state sales tax filings? How about excise tax filings? What model is used to collect property tax filings?

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Taxes are taxes are taxes. The citizen has to pay money to the government. period.

    Why are you trying to deceive people with incomplete information that paints a dishonest picture of taxation and the burden of taxation in America when you focus narrowly on only one tax and willfully ignore all the others?
    A better question is why are you diverting from the thread topic and ignoring Federal Income taxes data? How does any agency calculate how much sales taxe, excise taxes, or other use taxes that you pay in a year? Very easy to do with Federal Income taxes.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    A better question is why are you diverting from the thread topic and ignoring Federal Income taxes data? How does any agency calculate how much sales taxe, excise taxes, or other use taxes that you pay in a year? Very easy to do with Federal Income taxes.
    I am not ignoring any data on income taxes. What I am doing is just the opposite. I am trying to have an honest look at taxation in America and the burden of taxation on the American people.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I am not ignoring any data on income taxes. What I am doing is just the opposite. I am trying to have an honest look at taxation in America and the burden of taxation on the American people.
    There isn't any honesty here as you are mixing apples and oranges plus ignoring the thread topic. Obama has no control, YET, over state taxes being collected or state revenue/expenses. How much do you pay in gasoline excise taxes if you don't drive? How much do you pay in sales taxes if you don't purchase any taxable items? Explain to me why people who earn income don't pay any Federal Income taxes?

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Since people have been talking about percentages in this thread I figured it was time to bring in the worlds 3rd richest man. Yeah, rich folks may pay more income tax than joe blow down the street. But that is only because he/she has more money. But on a percentage base rich people pay less. Don't believe me then here's Warren Buffet.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Since people have been talking about percentages in this thread I figured it was time to bring in the worlds 3rd richest man. Yeah, rich folks may pay more income tax than joe blow down the street. But that is only because he/she has more money. But on a percentage base rich people pay less. Don't believe me then here's Warren Buffet.

    Then there is the IRS Data, which one is more accurate and why do you care what Warren Buffet says? Warren Buffet or any other rich person can send in whatever they want to the Federal Govt. Why does it have to be mandated by the Federal Govt? Is it fair that 47% don't pay ANY Federal Income Taxes but 53% pay them all? Why are you so concerned about what someone else pays in taxes but not that 47% of the income earners don't pay ANY?

    The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all Federal Income taxes.
    The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all Federal Income taxes.

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