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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    from Wikipedia on the Citizens for Tax Justice

    Citizens for Tax Justice (founded in 1979) is a lobbying organization focusing on federal, state and local tax policies and their impact upon our nation. CTJ's mission is to give ordinary people a greater voice in the development of tax laws. Their principles are: Fair taxes for middle and low-income families; Requiring the wealthy to pay their fair share; Closing corporate tax loopholes; Adequately funding important government services; Reducing the federal debt; and Taxation that minimizes distortion of economic markets.
    That sure does NOT sound like some radical extremist group to me. Although I could imagine that a extreme right winger who wanted to use biased and partial information to strip tens of million of American from their voting rights might consider them a threat.

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    sorry that crap doesn't cut it when that biased left wing study tries to claim that every possible thing is "taxes" when the issue is the income tax burden. Local taxes are not part of the debate on federal tax issues-the issues that are main talking points in federal elections.
    No, that is the narrow issue that YOU want to foist upon people to fool them into accepting the crap that you are serving up. In a discussion about taxes, it is only right to talk about taxes. For or for anyone to restrict it to only a single tax while ignoring all others is intellectually dishonest and intentionally deceitful.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    from Wikipedia on the Citizens for Tax Justice



    That sure does NOT sound like some radical extremist group to me. Although I could imagine that a extreme right winger who wanted to use biased and partial information to strip tens of million of American from their voting rights might consider them a threat.
    uh when a group says the rich need to pay their fair share that sounds like leftist crap to me given that the rich pay 40% of the federal income tax and all the death taxes.

    BTW its a front for the AFL-CIO
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    uh when a group says the rich need to pay their fair share that sounds like leftist crap to me given that the rich pay 40% of the federal income tax and all the death taxes.

    BTW its a front for the AFL-CIO
    It matters not what you or what anyone thinks of the group.
    It matters not if they do or dio not worship before the same ideological altar that you do.
    It matters not if they support the same political organizations that you do.

    All that is immaterial and does not change the facts about tax burden in America.

    btw - the last time I looked the AFL-CIO was a legal organization.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Here is the fact that blows you out of the water

    The total federal, state and local effective tax rate for the richest one percent of Americans (30.9 percent) is only slightly higher than the average effective tax rate for the remaining 99 percent of Americans (29.4 percent).

    Got that. There is no excessive tax burden on the rich while others are getting off free and paying nothing. Your attempt to use one tax to make that case is smoke and mirrors designed to create a false impression that simply vanishes like smoke in the wind when the entire picture of taxation in America is looked at.

    All your hyperbole about parasites and free-loaders and welfare dependent people not paying is simply NOT TRUE when ALL TAXATION in this country is looked at.

    You badly need a new song becuase the one you have been singing is played out.
    I knew you didn't get it and continue to spout the leftwing distortions. This is about FEDERAL INCOME TAXES!!!! I have been saying this over and over again but as usual you divert from that fact. What is it about culf followers that force them to divert from the topic and ignore the facts presented?

    The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all Federal Income taxes.
    The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all Federal Income taxes.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    NO. It is about taxation. All taxation paid by citizens. You and the supporters on the far right only WANT it to be about income taxes because it serves your narrow ideological and political goals.

    Why would you be so intellectually dishonest as to attempt to narrow the discussion to just one tax when it presents a completely skewed and incomplete picture of the true tax burden in America?
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    NO. It is about taxation. All taxation paid by citizens. You and the supporters on the far right only WANT it to be about income taxes because it serves your narrow ideological and political goals.

    Why would you be so intellectually dishonest as to attempt to narrow the discussion to just one tax when it presents a completely skewed and incomplete picture of the true tax burden in America?
    What you want to do is dictate what you believe is fair as you ignore the basics that it isn't fair for 47% of the people to pay zero in Federal Income taxes. Many people in that category don't have a problem with raising the taxes on the other 53% although the last election says those numbers are dropping.

    Most state taxes are use taxes and determined by what you spend or where you live. If you don't buy anything you don't pay state sales taxes, if you don't drive you don't pay exise taxes on gasoline, your property taxes are determined by where you live. All these are governed by behavior. All states have different tax structures, my state doesn't have an Income tax. What is it about the liberal ideology that prevents you from staying on topic and admitting you are wrong.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It matters not what you or what anyone thinks of the group.
    It matters not if they do or dio not worship before the same ideological altar that you do.
    It matters not if they support the same political organizations that you do.

    All that is immaterial and does not change the facts about tax burden in America.

    btw - the last time I looked the AFL-CIO was a legal organization.
    so is the communist party and the John Birch society. So what? they have a left wing agenda and when some group claims the "rich don't pay their fair share" that brands them as idiots



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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What you want to do is dictate what you believe is fair as you ignore the basics that it isn't fair for 47% of the people to pay zero in Federal Income taxes. Many people in that category don't have a problem with raising the taxes on the other 53% although the last election says those numbers are dropping.

    Most state taxes are use taxes and determined by what you spend or where you live. If you don't buy anything you don't pay state sales taxes, if you don't drive you don't pay exise taxes on gasoline, your property taxes are determined by where you live. All these are governed by behavior. All states have different tax structures, my state doesn't have an Income tax. What is it about the liberal ideology that prevents you from staying on topic and admitting you are wrong.
    Sorry but I am not dictating anything. All I am trying to do is to introduce the complete picture of taxation upon the citizen.

    Why would you object to the complete picture?
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so is the communist party and the John Birch society. So what? they have a left wing agenda and when some group claims the "rich don't pay their fair share" that brands them as idiots
    Now you are engaging in complete dishonesty. The study was not from either the Communist Party nor the John Birch Society.

    The group which did the study, Citizens for Tax Justice has even been lauded for their work by that bastion of left wing Trotskyism ...... The Wall Street Journal. Imagine that.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I knew you didn't get it and continue to spout the leftwing distortions. This is about FEDERAL INCOME TAXES!!!! I have been saying this over and over again but as usual you divert from that fact. What is it about culf followers that force them to divert from the topic and ignore the facts presented?

    The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all Federal Income taxes.
    The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all Federal Income taxes.
    Lets understand what we are dealing with-a democrat party operative who realizes that the most effective campaign strategy the dems have is promising their voters all sorts of welfare-socialist spending that will be paid for by OTHERS. He realizes that any reform of the tax system that prevents people like John Kerry (who married into billions) from pandering to the envious, the untalented and the unproductive will hurt his party because what his party mainly has to offer its supporters is income redistribution.



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