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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    All taxes are "use" taxes (with the exception of the HCR fine). The only difference between a federal tax and a tax on a product is what is being used.
    wrong, the death tax and the income tax are not use taxes because there is absolutely no correlation between what you use and what you pay. Indeed, those who pay the most often use the least



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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    a bit simplistic. In nature, the untalented and the unproductive starve. The most industrious and most shrewd propser in just about any system. Seems like the poor and untalented have a pretty good deal. Society caters to the least able
    You're talking about "survival of the fittest". Sorry...that works in the deepest, darkest jungles of Africa, not in civilized society.

    Try again...

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    I think you'd be mistaken that this was a referendum against the President. I'd say it was more an issue of balancing the power of government. Happens every midterm election cycle. Prior to 2006 we had a Republican President and a Republican Congress. The People didn't like that one side had too much control over the government and as a result they elected a Democrat President (given the other choice(s), I can't say I blame them) and a majority Democrat Congress. Four years later, they reversed it. I wouldn't be surprised if the situation changes course again in 2012. However, if Congress remains majority Republican and the state of the nation shows marked improvements, we might see most parties currently in government get re-elected including the President. Stay tuned...

    But I digress...this isn't about the upcoming 2012 election cycle. So, let's try NOT to re-direct the conversation again, shall we? This is about the effectiveness of the Bush tax cuts and/or the concept of "trickle-down economics" overall. So, my question to you is:



    It's a simple question...yes or no?
    Bush lost the 2006 midterms because of Iraq, not the economy. here are the economic results. The economy went south in 2008 with Democrats in control of the legislation. So yes, the Bush tax cuts worked until the financial meltdown.

    BEA links GDP and Receipts/Expense
    U.S. Department of Commerce. Bureau of Economic Analysis

    GDP by year

    2000 9951.50
    2001 10286.20
    2002 10642.30
    2003 11142.10
    2004 11867.80
    2005 12638.40
    2006 13398.90
    2007 14077.60
    2008 14441.40
    2009 14256.30

    As for the 2010 elections, you continue to be in denial and obviously haven't paid any attention to the exit polls.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea how it works? You tell me since you made the claim. It is not my job to educate you when you make an allegation. It is your job to support it if challenged.

    this was your statement



    So again please, tell me how this government guaranty of equal opportunity works in real life.
    Equal opportunity is guaranteed by the Constitution for ALL Americans. anyone discriminated against will become very wealthy through the courts. I would have thought a civics teacher would have understood the Constitution

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Good lord man. I taught the basic civics course for 33 years. If you want to know about the three levels of government and the three branches of government and what their functions are I strongly advise you to purchase a basic US Government text book and begin reading now. I used several in my time but my favorite was AMERICAN GOVERNMENT: Principles and Practices by Turner, Switzer & Redden. It was published by Merrill.

    Amazon.com: American Government: Principles and Practice (9780028238968): Mary Jane Turner, Kenneth Switzer, Charlotte Redden: Books

    This is the latest edition. The one I used had an additional 100 pages so I cannot say if it is improved or lessened. But it was first rate in every way possible and one of the best textbooks I every used or saw.

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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Equal opportunity is guaranteed by the Constitution for ALL Americans. anyone discriminated against will become very wealthy through the courts. I would have thought a civics teacher would have understood the Constitution
    Can you quote me the Constitutional language on that please? It does not seem to be in my copy. But then, we were a poor school district so perhaps we only got partial copies.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Can you quote me the Constitutional language on that please? It does not seem to be in my copy. But then, we were a poor school district so perhaps we only got partial copies.
    Equal rights are guaranteed by the Constitution and you can go to the EEOC to read about equal opportunity. I am sure that all school districts covered the role of the Federal govt. if they had a civics class.

    I am still waiting for you to explain why 53% of the income earners in this country pay for the expense items listed below and why you consider that fair? Where those expense items discussed in your classes?

    Expenses

    Defense 696.1
    International Affairs 45.2
    Gen. Science, Space 30.9
    Energy 11.5
    Natural resources/env 41.6
    Agriculture 23.2
    Commerce -82.9
    Transportation 92.5
    Community Dev 24.5
    Education/Train/Social 125.1
    Health 369
    Income Security 624
    Veterans Benefits 108.4
    Justice 55.2
    General Govt. 18.1
    Net Interest 196.9


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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Equal rights are guaranteed by the Constitution and you can go to the EEOC to read about equal opportunity. I am sure that all school districts covered the role of the Federal govt. if they had a civics class.
    You are moving the goal posts and changing your boast.

    Again, here is what you wrote

    Equal opportunity is guaranteed by the Constitution for ALL Americans. anyone discriminated against will become very wealthy through the courts. I would have thought a civics teacher would have understood the Constitution
    Where in the Constitution is this language? I cannot find it. The EEOC is not part of the language of the Constitution.

    Again, so how does this work again? Here is the opportunity for you to show the Government teacher just how much more you know.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

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    Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax CutsThe snide "high school civics" stuff needs to end.
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    Re: Obama Signs Bill To Extend Bush Tax Cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are moving the goal posts and changing your boast.

    Again, here is what you wrote



    Where in the Constitution is this language? I cannot find it. The EEOC is not part of the language of the Constitution.

    Again, so how does this work again? Here is the opportunity for you to show the Government teacher just how much more you know.
    My next response will be to yours or anyone that addresses the thread topic. The topic of equal rights is in the Constitution and if you have a problem with it and don't believe in equal opportunity then that is a savings to the taxpayer as we can now eliminate the Equal Opportunity Commission. Guess that wasn't established because of the Constitutional requirements of equal rights.

    I am still waiting for you to explain why Obama ran three years against the Bush tax cuts, claimed they all went to the rich, and now signed an extention claiming that it was good for ALL Americans meaning that the middle class did indeed get a tax cut.

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