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    Re: 9/11 First responders speak out on 'Daily Show'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I just saw the show. Stewart does like to hold the absurd and outrageous up to the light of day for everyone to see, and this is as outrageous as it gets.

    One of the first responders reported having been let go for being "too expensive." The expense was a direct result of his work related illness, of course.

    The house passed a bill to help them, but the Senate can't because it is being held hostage by threat of a filibuster. This is pathetic, and an example of government at its worst.
    Would help if you called out who/what party is filibustering it...
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    This is pathetic, and an example of government at its worst.
    Actually, it is a perfect example of Republican ideology and tactics at their worst.
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    Re: 9/11 First responders speak out on 'Daily Show'

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Would help if you called out who/what party is filibustering it...
    I seriously had someone on facebook rant about the Democrats blocking the 9/11 first responders bill. He had watched that bit on Fox News where they never mentioned the Republicans and went and assumed it was Democrats. (because Democrats forgot 9/11 amiright? )

    I posted a link to a couple articles that showed it was a party line vote. No response. I think his brain broke.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 9/11 First responders speak out on 'Daily Show'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I watched that long spiel on Fox News by that one dude about how terrible it was that this bill had been blocked.

    Never once did he mention the Republican party. "Congress." "The Senate." As if it weren't a 100% party line vote on part of the GOP that did it...
    So, since all the Dems support it, it MUST by definition be a good bill overall, right? I mean, the Dems couldn't possibly support a bill with problems, now could they???

    Well, yes.. they could.

    H.R. 847: James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2010 - Legislative Digest - GOP.gov
    Some Members may be concerned about several issues:



    1. H.R. 847 creates a new entitlement program.
    2. H.R. 847 is paid for with a tax increase on companies located in the United States that are employing American workers.
    3. H.R. 847 is not means tested. An amendment to preclude millionaires from accessing the new health entitlement created by Title I was defeated during the markup in Energy and Commerce Committee.
    4. NIOSH does not have expertise in administering a health care payment program. The current program is a block-grant program, and under H.R. 847, NIOSH will negotiate contracts and approve treatment protocols.
    5. H.R. 847 increases hospital reimbursement rates to 140 percent of Medicare reimbursement rates on average for New York City hospitals while ObamaCare cuts $150 billion in payments to hospitals around the country.
    6. H.R. 847 does not reward hospitals and providers for improving health care. They will be reimbursed based on each service they perform, which will encourage overutilization and increase health care spending.
    7. Currently, several programs receive federal funding for medical monitoring and treatment programs. Those programs include: Fire Department of New York WTC Medical Monitoring Program, New York/New Jersey WTC Consortium, WTC Health Registry, WTC Federal Responder Screening Program, Project COPE, and POPPA (Police Organization Providing Peer Assistance) program.
    8. Limited oversight fails to ensure taxpayer funds are spent properly and effectively. Government health care programs, such as Medicare, have a significant amount of fraud.
    9. H.R. 847 gives too much discretion in the unreviewable authority of the Special Master.
    10. H.R. 847 permits claimants to seek compensation through the VCF even if they have settled their lawsuits against the $1 billion taxpayer-funded World Trade Center Captive Insurance Company.
    11. H.R. 847 includes protections for trial lawyers, including the ability to receive taxpayer-funded compensation for work not directly related to recovery from the VCF. In addition, attorneys who have been compensation under another settlement will have access to settlement funds under the reopened VCF.
    12. 12. H.R. 847 extends the geographic scope of the original September 11 Fund and gives the Special Master discretion to extend it even farther.
    13. H.R. 847 caps the VCF at $8.4 billion, which is an invitation and a guarantee to spend $8.4 billion.
    Fix the problems, and I believe the GOP would support the bill. Don't fix the problems, go ahead and whine like little girls.

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    Re: 9/11 First responders speak out on 'Daily Show'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    .... it's from the interview that Stewart did.

    I take it you've never had to deal with a private insurance company during a serious illness? They literally employ people who have the sole job of finding reasons to deny claims.
    You would take it wrong. I've purchased my own private insurance my whole life. This last year saw me use, probably, $75K in benefits. I totally get it. There's more to this story -- like the quality of the bill itself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    So, since all the Dems support it, it MUST by definition be a good bill overall, right? I mean, the Dems couldn't possibly support a bill with problems, now could they???

    Well, yes.. they could.

    H.R. 847: James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2010 - Legislative Digest - GOP.gov

    Fix the problems, and I believe the GOP would support the bill. Don't fix the problems, go ahead and whine like little girls.
    Nice post. And I agree.
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    Jesus Christ they just called funding healthcare for 9/11 first responders "an entitlement program." That's it. That was a stand-alone criticism.
    The "tax increase" on US companies is closing loopholes that allow companies to evade taxes.
    They say the reimbursement rates are 140% of Medicare reimbursement and criticize Obamacare for cutting those reimbursements. Which is it?
    "Does not reward hospitals and providers for improving healthcare." Funny, we tried that with Obamacare and they called it death panels.

    Tell me, what should we fix, exactly?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: 9/11 First responders speak out on 'Daily Show'

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    So, since all the Dems support it, it MUST by definition be a good bill overall, right? I mean, the Dems couldn't possibly support a bill with problems, now could they???

    Well, yes.. they could.

    H.R. 847: James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2010 - Legislative Digest - GOP.gov

    Fix the problems, and I believe the GOP would support the bill. Don't fix the problems, go ahead and whine like little girls.
    Sounds to me like the Republicans just spilled the biggest load of crap since that manure truck emptied out on Biff in BACK TO THE FUTURE.
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    Re: 9/11 First responders speak out on 'Daily Show'

    Really? That's the 'best' the liberal/democratic leaning posters have to offer when I show WHY the Republicans blocked this bill? Deuce and Hay?

    Deuce at least made an effort to discuss the subject, for which he deserves credit. But Hay? Really? That's you're in-depth, well thought out contribution to the thread? A Back to the Future reference?

    I guess when confronted by reality, the libs/dems crumble like sand castles.

    How sad.

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    Re: 9/11 First responders speak out on 'Daily Show'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "Does not reward hospitals and providers for improving healthcare." Funny, we tried that with Obamacare and they called it death panels.
    What the **** does 'improving healthcare' have to do with death panels? You're sounding more than a little silly here.

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    Re: 9/11 First responders speak out on 'Daily Show'

    The Democrats had two years to pass any lil' bills their hearts desired. Suddenly, it's urgent to pass this bill right now!!! Suddenly they say, "This isn't the time to talk, this is the time for action." They had plenty of time for action.

    Find the freakin' money to fund the bill!!!!!
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