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    PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Republican strategist, Frank Luntz, is credited with PolitiFact's 2010 lie of the year.

    PolitiFact editors and reporters have chosen "government takeover of health care" as the 2010 Lie of the Year.
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    Their second-place choice was Rep. Michele Bachmann's claim that Obama was going to spend $200 million a day on a trip to India, a falsity that still sprouts.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...r-health-care/
    This comes on the heels of PolitiFact's 2009 Lie of the Year winner - Sarah Palin's posting of 'Death Panels' on her Facebook page.

    “We just simply don’t know how to govern” - Rep. Steve Womack (R-AR) a member of the House Budget Committee

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Quote Originally Posted by BWG View Post
    Republican strategist, Frank Luntz, is credited with PolitiFact's 2010 lie of the year.



    This comes on the heels of PolitiFact's 2009 Lie of the Year winner - Sarah Palin's posting of 'Death Panels' on her Facebook page.

    And both were valid choices. They are wild lies.

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    If a lie is repeated often and loudly enough, people will believe it. The above is a perfect example.
    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    At first I thought that PolitiFact was a mostly non-biased site that maybe tilted a tiny bit towards the left, but it's harder to believe that every time I see them.

    Okay, forget that they chose two right-wing "lies" in a row for two years (as is the 2nd place lie this year). Seriously? "Government take-over" is the biggest lie they could find? That's a huge stretch of the truth at worst, and a valid political position at best. Who's to judge what does, and doesn't, constitute a "takeover"? It's pretty clear that the law calls for a huge and unprecedented increase in the government's power when it comes to health care. More importantly though, who's to say what the actual effects of the bill are that aren't just written on paper? It could very well lead to what's basically a government takeover of the industry - Obama himself has all but admitted such. Hell, even Politifact labeled an entry using the exact same wording as merely "false", rather than "pants on fire"; to call it the "lie of the year" thus makes no sense at all.

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    At first I thought that PolitiFact was a mostly non-biased site that maybe tilted a tiny bit towards the left, but it's harder to believe that every time I see them.

    Okay, forget that they chose two right-wing "lies" in a row for two years (as is the 2nd place lie this year). Seriously? "Government take-over" is the biggest lie they could find? That's a huge stretch of the truth at worst, and a valid political position at best. Who's to judge what does, and doesn't, constitute a "takeover"? It's pretty clear that the law calls for a huge and unprecedented increase in the government's power when it comes to health care. More importantly though, who's to say what the actual effects of the bill are that aren't just written on paper? It could very well lead to what's basically a government takeover of the industry - Obama himself has all but admitted such. Hell, even Politifact labeled an entry using the exact same wording as merely "false", rather than "pants on fire"; to call it the "lie of the year" thus makes no sense at all.
    So, they should ignroe the major lies because they are right wing? Wouldn't that be showing bias?

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    I vote for:

    "They will see that if Americans like their doctor, they will keep their doctor. If people like their plan, they will keep their plan. No one will be able to take that away from you"

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    At first I thought that PolitiFact was a mostly non-biased site that maybe tilted a tiny bit towards the left, but it's harder to believe that every time I see them.

    Okay, forget that they chose two right-wing "lies" in a row for two years (as is the 2nd place lie this year). Seriously? "Government take-over" is the biggest lie they could find? That's a huge stretch of the truth at worst, and a valid political position at best. Who's to judge what does, and doesn't, constitute a "takeover"? It's pretty clear that the law calls for a huge and unprecedented increase in the government's power when it comes to health care. More importantly though, who's to say what the actual effects of the bill are that aren't just written on paper? It could very well lead to what's basically a government takeover of the industry - Obama himself has all but admitted such. Hell, even Politifact labeled an entry using the exact same wording as merely "false", rather than "pants on fire"; to call it the "lie of the year" thus makes no sense at all.
    What would you consider to be a bigger lie?

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I vote for:

    "They will see that if Americans like their doctor, they will keep their doctor. If people like their plan, they will keep their plan. No one will be able to take that away from you"
    In context, as the government is not taking them away, and insurance companis have been doing so for years, I wouldn't rate that near as abig a lie.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    What would you consider to be a bigger lie?
    Probably the biggest lie was the reasons for going into Iraq, call me crazy :

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Probably the biggest lie was the reasons for going into Iraq, call me crazy :
    That didn't happen in 2009 and 2010 though. I was thinking within those two years.

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