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PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

That's no lie. Just like Medicare and Medicaid is socialist. Doesn't mean we need another failure.

A mandate to purchase health insurance from private insurance companies is basically the opposite of socialism. Funneling billions in taxpayer dollars into the hands of private industry via subsidies isn't socialism, because that's not what the word socialism means.
 
A mandate to purchase health insurance from private insurance companies is basically the opposite of socialism. Funneling billions in taxpayer dollars into the hands of private industry via subsidies isn't socialism, because that's not what the word socialism means.

Exactly it is forced Capitalism.
 
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Exactly it is forced Capitalism.

"Forced" by a $695 fine which is waived if your income is below the poverty line, you have a religious exemption, or if the health insurance would cost you more than 8% of your income. I remember when Senator Grassley was telling me how necessary the mandate was, because people without insurance constantly dump the cost of their care onto other insured patients and onto taxpayers. Now he says it's unconstitutional socialism! Boggles the mind...
 
Ancient Rome use to take over territories but then leave locals not only in charge, but basically allow *most* of the status quo to remain as-is. Surely we'd be liars to call that Roman takeover? Damn those lying historians.
 
forced Capitalism; a meaningless term made up by silly little lefties.

This from the person who thinks buying things from private companies is socialism somehow.

Ancient Rome use to take over territories but then leave locals not only in charge, but basically allow *most* of the status quo to remain as-is. Surely we'd be liars to call that Roman takeover? Damn those lying historians.

Yes, clearly all regulation is basically like invading and conquering a sovereign nation.

Delta Airlines: Regulated by the FAA. Government takeover of the airline industry?
Perdue Chicken: Regulated by the FDA and USDA. Did I buy those chicken wings in my fridge from the government?
DirectTV: Regulated by the FCC. Who should I mail the monthly subscription fee to, again?

Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources.[1][2][3] A socialist society is characterised by a free association, which is not based on coercive wage labour. It is organized on the basis of relatively equal power relations, self-management, collective decision-making and adhocracy rather than hierarchical, bureaucratic forms of organization in the economic and political systems.

Public or common ownership? Wow, I didn't realize I was part-owner of McDonald's and Best Buy! Those, after all, are industries with regulations.
 
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forced Capitalism; a meaningless term made up by silly little lefties.

How is it made up? It is a forced bill, and you need to purchase something hence Capitalism. Just put it together and it is forced Capitalism...
 
Ancient Rome use to take over territories but then leave locals not only in charge, but basically allow *most* of the status quo to remain as-is. Surely we'd be liars to call that Roman takeover? Damn those lying historians.

No that is take over because the Romans demanded taxes. And if they didn't like policies they could enforce it. It is pratically just a satellite nation but took the same name.
 
Objective Voice said:
I'll give you the 8 percent unemployment; he shouldn't have made that assurance.
Why give anything? That's buying into another right-wing lie.

Objective Voice said:
However, I wouldn't call that a lie because no one not even the President could guarantee that the unemployment rate would have remained low.
No guarantee was given, but that didn't slow down the noise machine.


"We were promised, the president said we would keep unemployment under 8.5 percent. We're now over 9.5 percent, on our way to 10 percent." - Eric Cantor

Cantor wasn't the only one, others...John Boehner, R-Ohio, Reps. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., and Lynn Westmoreland, R-Ga. all said we were "promised"

Glenn Beck said, "That was the big fear-mongering number, 9 percent. And they guaranteed if the stimulus passed, unemployment wouldn't go over 8 percent."

Sean Hannity also said the administration "promised".

In reality what it was was a report with projections concerning the unemployment rate.

Without the stimulus, unemployment was projected to hit about 8.5 percent in 2009 and then continue rising to a peak of about 9 percent in 2010. With the stimulus, they predicted the unemployment rate would peak at just under 8 percent in 2009.

There were many disclaimers in the report.



Guess who has more on that subject...LOL...:lol:

PolitiFact | Will: Obama said stimulus would cap unemployment at 8 percent
 
How is it made up? It is a forced bill, and you need to purchase something hence Capitalism. Just put it together and it is forced Capitalism...


:cuckoo: ..........
 
Who cares about what is the "biggest" or "most important" lie of the year. Those terms are completely opinionated. A lie is a lie is a lie, it doesn't matter if some website calls one lie "Lie of the Year" and the other as "second place" they are BOTH LIES.
 
What would you consider to be a bigger lie?

Rich dems enact policies designed to help the poor. That is the single biggest lie in American Politics
 
Rich dems enact policies designed to help the poor. That is the single biggest lie in American Politics

No much more then Republicans claiming to represent the wishes of the American People :2razz:

Seriously dude, both sides are retards, how your country is standing at all is a miracle, if you put them in charge of a ship, they'd manage to hit an iceburg off the coast of Spain :2razz:
 
politifact is basically a left-centrist blog masquerading as a non-partisan fact-check site. some of the twists they will go through to defend Obama or attack Conservative spokespersons would be impressive if they weren't sad.





as for "lies of the year", though, i think "you can keep your health insurance" certainly rates honorable mention.

Facts do have a left wing bias. I think we all know that by now. :coffeepap
 
So you have personally unanimously voted this as the lie of the year, not surprising. Something that doesn't go into effect for 4 years cannot be called a lie now except in the leftwing world.

Haven't voted at all, but I am waiting for something remotely close to be presented. You just haven't yet. And I can't pretend that you have. :coffeepap
 
That was such a big fat lie, even some liberals were disgusted by it., and he got his butt kicked in the election.

Grayson is not only a clown, but unworthy of any serious thought. Often who tells the lie causes a higher ranking than just the lie itself.
 
I vote for:

"They will see that if Americans like their doctor, they will keep their doctor. If people like their plan, they will keep their plan. No one will be able to take that away from you"

I still have the same doctor and the same health plan as before.
 
CBO says the stimulus created jobs. That's not evidence?

the CBO has to work with the parameters given to them by the political leadership of congress. that's why there was such intense discussion of their "it will reduce the deficit" report on Obamacare. within the report itself they highlighted several of the parameters they were ordered to include (such as no doc fix) as extremely unlikely to occur; but all the democrats wanted to yell about was the headline CBO SAYS OBAMACARE WILL REDUCE THE DEFICIT unless of course it turns out we live in the real world in which case we are screwed

so when the CBO says "the stimulus created jobs" what they mean is "Congress ordered us to pretend the money fell off of magic trees, and so yes, by that logic, the stimulus created jobs".
 
Grayson is not only a clown, but unworthy of any serious thought. Often who tells the lie causes a higher ranking than just the lie itself.

so if the President lied..... say.... by first arguing that the money taken from you via the IRS if you didn't purchase the 'right' kind of health insurance wasn't a tax....... and then (once it got before the courts where such a move would be constitutionally questionable) he argued that it was........
 
No that is take over because the Romans demanded taxes. And if they didn't like policies they could enforce it. It is pratically just a satellite nation but took the same name.
Important because the U.S. federal government doesn't demand taxes.
 
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so if the President lied..... say.... by first arguing that the money taken from you via the IRS if you didn't purchase the 'right' kind of health insurance wasn't a tax....... and then (once it got before the courts where such a move would be constitutionally questionable) he argued that it was........

It would come no where new as huge a lie as those who won the last two. :coffeepap
 
good for you. sadly, this will not be the case for many Americans.

Chystal balls aside, support that as nothing has changed for either. My change was over two years ago when my premium doubled and I got less coverage.
 
Chystal balls aside, support that as nothing has changed for either. My change was over two years ago when my premium doubled and I got less coverage.

Political lie of the year and every year, "If you like your doctor or insurance plan you can keep it!" Your premiums doubled, why?
 
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