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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    That didn't happen in 2009 and 2010 though. I was thinking within those two years.
    Oh... well.

    Yeah I'd say the whole Death Panel thing was pretty below the belt bad lie.

    The Shirley Sherrod thing was pretty bad too... we all seem to have forgotten about that. But I guess that's not so much a lie, as it was a deliberately misinforming people by editing

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Oh... well.

    Yeah I'd say the whole Death Panel thing was pretty below the belt bad lie.

    The Shirley Sherrod thing was pretty bad too... we all seem to have forgotten about that. But I guess that's not so much a lie, as it was a deliberately misinforming people by editing
    I guess one major lie that most conservatives would agree with was that one chick being a witch.

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In context, as the government is not taking them away, and insurance companis have been doing so for years, I wouldn't rate that near as abig a lie.
    Never mind that the government plan has been so destructive that Obama has been forced grant hundreds of waivers from his cumbersome mandates to keep hundreds of thousands of workers from losing their coverage.

    No, let's concern ourselves with what some random pundit had to say Lubbitz? Lutz? Luntz? I guess his name doesn't really matter.
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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    I guess one major lie that most conservatives would agree with was that one chick being a witch.
    Certainly one major lie some Conservatives keep telling themselves is that Palin will win in 2012

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Certainly one major lie some Conservatives keep telling themselves is that Palin will win in 2012
    the bigger lie is the one many liberals believe... that Palin will win the GOP nomination.

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    the bigger lie is the one many liberals believe... that Palin will win the GOP nomination.
    Can't speak for liberals, whoever they are, but I don't believe she willwin the GOP nomination. But I suspect many democrats hope she does.

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Never mind that the government plan has been so destructive that Obama has been forced grant hundreds of waivers from his cumbersome mandates to keep hundreds of thousands of workers from losing their coverage.

    No, let's concern ourselves with what some random pundit had to say Lubbitz? Lutz? Luntz? I guess his name doesn't really matter.
    Whch means nothing, regardless of whether you're right or wrong, to the lies. The lies are still lies. And the two winning lies are huge whoppers.

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, they should ignroe the major lies because they are right wing? Wouldn't that be showing bias?
    Um, that's sort of the exact opposite of what I said.

    I'll be fair though, apparently it was voted by the readers, so it has more to do with the bias of people who go there than the bias of the website itself. Still, looking at a list of the "Lies of the Year", every single one of the top 4 are by Republicans, as are the majority of them in general; and beyond that, as I just explained, #1 shouldn't even qualify since it's not so much a complete blatant lie as it is a stretch of the truth, or simply a belief/prediction of what's to come.

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    What would you consider to be a bigger lie?
    Something that is actually, undeniably an outright lie. Like Alan Grayson's "Taliban Dan" ad, though preferably one that had a bigger impact.

    With the one that they chose, the reasons they gave in the article for it being a "lie" was that it simply doesn't match with the words in the bill. That's also what they said about Sarah Palin's "death panels" comment, which made #1 last year. Both times, though, they looked at it the wrong way, since the two statements aren't about what's literally set forth in the bill, but about what will actually happen once the law takes effect.

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Um, that's sort of the exact opposite of what I said.
    Didn't seem that way to me.

    I'll be fair though, apparently it was voted by the readers, so it has more to do with the bias of people who go there than the bias of the website itself. Still, looking at a list of the "Lies of the Year", every single one of the top 4 are by Republicans, as are the majority of them in general; and beyond that, as I just explained, #1 shouldn't even qualify since it's not so much a complete blatant lie as it is a stretch of the truth, or simply a belief/prediction of what's to come.
    republicans have been busy this year, telling some real whoppers. I don't suggest that only republcans lie, as democrats do as well, but there is no doubt republicans worked hard to tell some wild and over the tops lies.


    One thing from your answer to MEgaprogman, those things weren't likely to happen either. Saying they were likley to happen is just as large a lie.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'A government takeover of health care'

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In context, as the government is not taking them away, and insurance companis have been doing so for years, I wouldn't rate that near as abig a lie.
    Of course you wouldn't but the fact remains you cannot keep a plan that no longer exists and the Obama administration lied by never addressing that issue. I like the Obama Administration lie that passing the stimulus would keep unemployment capped at 8%? Or the lie that the stimulus plan saved or created millions of jobs when the reality is there is no evidence of that. Or the Obama lie that "I inherited a 1.3 trillion deficit from Bush. Deficits are yearly and fiscal year 2009 ended in Sept. 2009 so Obama had 9 months of that fiscal year and lied about what he inherited.

    I agree, Polifact is nothing more than a leftwing mouthpiece embraced by other leftwingers.

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