Rick Scott’s bold education plan draws bevy of critics

Hatuey · Dec 16, 2010

Rick Scott’s bold education plan draws bevy of critics - Yahoo! News

The idea has previously won backing from the late Nobel-laureate economist Milton Friedman and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush as a way to foster competition among schools and give parents more choice in their children's education. But there is one major hitch: The Florida Supreme Court has ruled private-school vouchers unconstitutional, concluding that they endanger the free public school system. And, it turns out, many in the education world agree, and not even only those connected to the teachers union (though for the record, a Florida teachers union spokesman called it a "terrible idea.").
The details of the plan are still unclear, but the proposed voucher would most likely be for $5,500, the average state per-pupil contribution to public school students. The state would deposit that sum into each individual child's "education savings account" (theoretically every Florida child would have one) instead of into school districts' coffers. (The state currently doles out vouchers for some low-income and disabled students, a program that has not been challenged in court.)
"I don't think the idea of draining the treasury of public education is practical. There's a place for public schools, they do great work in the community," private Catholic-school principal Rick Pucci told a Tampa news station. "This plan may rob public schools of the things they need. I'm not in favor of it."

The right wing's attack on education and academia continues. I simply don't understand why right wingers are so opposed to standardized education. It's one thing to create non-accredited schools and pretending they are like Harvard. It's another to screw up education as a whole. There are more educated people in America today than ever in the history of this country. Why screw up a good thing?

Taylor · Dec 16, 2010

Hatuey said:
The right wing's attack on education and academia continues. I simply don't understand why right wingers are so opposed to standardized education.

It's not that they're opposed to standardized education, they're opposed to crappy education:

Established in 1999, his program was the nation's first statewide voucher system, allowing students in public schools with chronically low test scores to switch to private schools.

I simply don't understand why left wingers are so opposed to providing educational opportuties to children stuck in these dismal institutions.

liblady · Dec 16, 2010

Hatuey said:
Rick Scott’s bold education plan draws bevy of critics - Yahoo! News

The right wing's attack on education and academia continues. I simply don't understand why right wingers are so opposed to standardized education. It's one thing to create non-accredited schools and pretending they are like Harvard. It's another to screw up education as a whole. There are more educated people in America today than ever in the history of this country. Why screw up a good thing?

rick scott is a ****ing crook.

Hatuey · Dec 16, 2010

Taylor said:
It's not that they're opposed to standardized education, they're opposed to crappy education

First you have to prove that the education being provided is bad.

I simply don't understand why left wingers are so opposed to providing educational opportuties to children stuck in these dismal institutions.

What a ****ty non-sequitur. A student having a low score does not mean the institution itself is bad.

Albert Di Salvo · Dec 16, 2010

Hatuey said:
First you have to prove that the education being provided is bad.

What a ****ty non-sequitur. A student having a low score does not mean the institution itself is bad.

How do those kids compare to Chinese kids? Not very well.

Erod · Dec 16, 2010

Hatuey said:
First you have to prove that the education being provided is bad.

What a ****ty non-sequitur. A student having a low score does not mean the institution itself is bad.

Have you listened to the teachers at these schools? I had better diction and command of English when I was 5.

And when no one around you has a parent (singular) who gives a rip about education, it makes it tough for a kid to get anything out of it.

Taylor · Dec 17, 2010

Hatuey said:
First you have to prove that the education being provided is bad.

No, I don't need to prove that. The point was that the proponents of vouchers support them because they believe it will improve education.

Hatuey said:
What a ****ty non-sequitur. A student having a low score does not mean the institution itself is bad.

Hahaha... yes Hatuey, let's get back to discussing how right wingers are trying to "screw up education as a whole" with vouchers. :screwy

Albert Di Salvo · Dec 17, 2010

Hatuey said:
Rick Scott’s bold education plan draws bevy of critics - Yahoo! News

The right wing's attack on education and academia continues. I simply don't understand why right wingers are so opposed to standardized education. It's one thing to create non-accredited schools and pretending they are like Harvard. It's another to screw up education as a whole. There are more educated people in America today than ever in the history of this country. Why screw up a good thing?

The quality of education has declined precipitously in America. People can have degrees and be totally ignorant. Those folks don't do well in life unless they become union members or leftist activists.

Black Dog · Dec 17, 2010

liblady said:
rick scott is a ****ing crook.

As if this has anything to do with the proposed education vouchers.

UtahBill · Dec 17, 2010

Albert Di Salvo said:
The quality of education has declined precipitously in America. People can have degrees and be totally ignorant. Those folks don't do well in life unless they become union members or leftist activists.

2 out of 3 ain't bad....altho I wouldn't say "totally" ignorant for statement 2.

BTW, ignorance is just lack of knowledge. We all start out ignorant, grow and learn and become less ignorant, hopefully.
The more we learn, the less ignorant we are.
But if the knowledge gained is distorted, biased, or outright lies, we don't reduce our ignorance, we add to it.

Hatuey · Dec 17, 2010

Taylor said:
No, I don't need to prove that. The point was that the proponents of vouchers support them because they believe it will improve education.

Ah so what you're saying is that there is something deficient in education as it is. What is it?

Hahaha... yes Hatuey, let's get back to discussing how right wingers are trying to "screw up education as a whole" with vouchers. :screwy

Of course they are. The right wing in America is notoriously anti-education. It supports non-science like creationism and intelligent design. It seeks to introduce religion and prayer into our schools. It seek to challenge scientific claims with non-controversies. The list goes on.

ricksfolly · Dec 17, 2010

Hatuey said:
First you have to prove that the education being provided is bad.

Grades getting lower and lower should be enough proof that PSAT doesn't work.

When I was a kid, my teachers encouraged innovated thinking. Now kids can actually get a failing grade if what they write isn't in the standard text books.

ricksfolly

haymarket · Dec 17, 2010

ricksfolly said:
Grades getting lower and lower should be enough proof that PSAT doesn't work.

When I was a kid, my teachers encouraged innovated thinking. Now kids can actually get a failing grade if what they write isn't in the standard text books.

ricksfolly

I love it when people who never played in the game try to "fix it" for everybody else to make it better.

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