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    Re: Michael Moore Says Founders Would Have Been "Wikileakers"

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Well, he seems hell-bent that we need be more like Cuba. He loves their healthcare system. LOL
    I think his argument was that Cuba has a better health care system than we do and that we should improve ours. I fail to see how that is equatable to hating America.

    Look, don't get me wrong...I don't like the guy either. I think he is an attention whore and I would love nothing more than him to stop making his stupid ass movies.

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    Re: Michael Moore Says Founders Would Have Been "Wikileakers"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Where has he admitted that he hates America?
    I meant "if not blatantly" as in, he never directly admits it. But I can find tons of quotes where he accuses Americans or America of being all sorts of bad things, and I'm having trouble finding one where he says something good about them.

    I can at least guarantee you that he passionately loathes at least 40% of Americans (the ones who call themselves conservative).

    EDIT: from Wikiquotes:

    They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet... in thrall to conniving, thieving, smug pricks. We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don't know about anything that's happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing. National Geographic produced a survey which showed that 60 percent of 18-25 year olds don't know where Great Britain is on a map. And 92 percent of us don't own a passport.
    -Michael Moore on the American public, as quoted in "The Awkward Conscience of a Nation"
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    Re: Michael Moore Says Founders Would Have Been "Wikileakers"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    I meant "if not blatantly" as in, he never directly admits it. But I can find tons of quotes where he accuses Americans or America of being all sorts of bad things, and I'm having trouble finding one where he says something good about them.
    Yes, he is critical of America and feels that we need to improve according to his views. I still fail to see how that is the same as hating America. If that's the angle you are going to argue, one could say the same about damn near every single political commentator. Does Glenn Beck also hate America?

    I can at least guarantee you that he passionately loathes at least 40% of Americans (the ones who call themselves conservative).
    And I can guarantee you that many Conservatives have a hatred just as passionate for the percentage of Americans who are Liberals. Do they also hate America?
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    Re: Michael Moore Says Founders Would Have Been "Wikileakers"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Yes, he is critical of America and feels that we need to improve according to his views. I still fail to see how that is the same as hating America. If that's the angle you are going to argue, one could say the same about damn near every single political commentator. Does Glenn Beck also hate America?
    Glenn Beck has a lot of good things to say about America and the American people in general. Michael Moore does not.

    It's one thing to write a book, or make a movie, criticizing the American health care system, or the American economy. It's another thing to make movie after movie, write book after book, criticizing every single aspect of America, from its economy to its gun laws to its culture to whatever else comes into his mind. Often, his main reason why things are so screwed up in America, as opposed to the rest of the world, is that its citizens are just too stupid and ignorant to fix things. Again, doing it once or twice wouldn't demonstrate a pattern, but he's moaned on and on about so many completely different aspects of America that it's hard to deny some sort of obsessive distaste for it.

    Also, see the edit in my post above.

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    Re: Michael Moore Says Founders Would Have Been "Wikileakers"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Glenn Beck has a lot of good things to say about America and the American people in general. Michael Moore does not.
    Actually, they aren't all that different. They both criticize the government for the most part, or big corporations. Michael Moore doesn't really go after "people in general".
    It's one thing to write a book, or make a movie, criticizing the American health care system, or the American economy. It's another thing to make movie after movie, write book after book, criticizing every single aspect of America, from its economy to its gun laws to its culture to whatever else comes into his mind. Often, his main reason why things are so screwed up in America, as opposed to the rest of the world, is that its citizens are just too stupid and ignorant to fix things. Again, doing it once or twice wouldn't demonstrate a pattern, but he's moaned on and on about so many completely different aspects of America that it's hard to deny some sort of obsessive distaste for it.
    Which tells me that he's an attention whore and likes making money, which also kind of makes him a hypocrite because he's so critical of rich people and big business. Saying that he "hates America" is a blanket statement and simply not true. He's critical of America and wants to see it improved according to his own views. We all do to a certain extent.

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    Re: Michael Moore Says Founders Would Have Been "Wikileakers"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Michael Moore doesn't really go after "people in general".
    Here's that quote again in case you missed it:


    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Moore, on the American public
    They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet... in thrall to conniving, thieving, smug pricks. We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don't know about anything that's happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing. National Geographic produced a survey which showed that 60 percent of 18-25 year olds don't know where Great Britain is on a map. And 92 percent of us don't own a passport.
    (From http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Michael_Moore, scroll down to 2004)


    Pretty much says all you need to know, really.
    Last edited by Dav; 12-16-10 at 06:03 PM.

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    Re: Michael Moore Says Founders Would Have Been "Wikileakers"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Glenn Beck has a lot of good things to say about America and the American people in general. Michael Moore does not.

    It's one thing to write a book, or make a movie, criticizing the American health care system, or the American economy. It's another thing to make movie after movie, write book after book, criticizing every single aspect of America, from its economy to its gun laws to its culture to whatever else comes into his mind. Often, his main reason why things are so screwed up in America, as opposed to the rest of the world, is that its citizens are just too stupid and ignorant to fix things. Again, doing it once or twice wouldn't demonstrate a pattern, but he's moaned on and on about so many completely different aspects of America that it's hard to deny some sort of obsessive distaste for it.

    Also, see the edit in my post above.
    Amazing that you don't see Beck, Limbaugh et al. in the same light.

    I equate that to:

    Glenn = critical of the US government = loves America because he and Dav lean in a similar fashion
    Mike Moore = critical of the US government = hates America because he and Dav lean in different directions

    That's EXACTLY what you are reflecting.
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    Re: Michael Moore Says Founders Would Have Been "Wikileakers"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Here's that quote again in case you missed it:




    Pretty much says all you need to know, really.
    Is National Geographic wrong?
    No men are anywhere, and Im allowed to go in, because Im the owner of the pageant and therefore Im inspecting it, Trump said... Is everyone OK? You know, theyre standing there with no clothes. Is everybody OK? And you see these incredible looking women, and so I sort of get away with things like that.

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    Re: Michael Moore Says Founders Would Have Been "Wikileakers"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    Yes, he is critical of America and feels that we need to improve according to his views. I still fail to see how that is the same as hating America. If that's the angle you are going to argue, one could say the same about damn near every single political commentator. Does Glenn Beck also hate America?



    And I can guarantee you that many Conservatives have a hatred just as passionate for the percentage of Americans who are Liberals. Do they also hate America?
    nah, they are smart



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