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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    So, you're saying that any murder trial where the defendant was found guilty because of fingerprint evidence on the shell casing, the guilty verdict should be tossed?
    So are you seriously trying to contend that a finger print on a shell casing is in and of itself beyond reasonable doubt? If there were any murder trial in which the defendant was found guilty on the basis of a fingerprint on a shell casing alone; then of course it should be tossed. That's not beyond a reasonable doubt at that point. You're going to need more evidence.
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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    It's up to the jury whether or not fingerprints on a casing that came from a murder weapon is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. For me, it likely would be.

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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's up to the jury whether or not fingerprints on a casing that came from a murder weapon is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. For me, it likely would be.
    It's up to the grand jury and the DA to prosecute. But no DA is stupid enough (and one would have to be hella-stupid to believe that route) to try to make a prosecution of a crime based on a finger print on a casing alone. One cannot be so stupid as to believe that somehow 1 finger print on a bullet can definitively point to anything other than the person having been in contact with that bullet at some time. That's the only proof positive thing you can say. You can use that finger print in association with other evidence to so that they had the gun and motive and were at the scene of the crime at the time. And the accumulation of all that data and proof can then start to constitute proof beyond a reasonable doubt. But in and of itself, no it doesn't and no one should be dumb enough to believe it could as stand alone evidence.
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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It's up to the jury whether or not fingerprints on a casing that came from a murder weapon is proof beyond a reasonable doubt. For me, it likely would be.
    I do not know much about firearms but I do know that many different firearms use the same kind of round. A shell can not tell which of these various compatible firearms fired that round. A finger print on the shell alone does not tell your who fired the weapon, what was used to fire the bullet, who loaded the bullet and etc.
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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Really? any evidence of this or are you calling possible rape victims liars?
    ... Did you actually read what the case is about? There's about as much evidence to say he raped anyone as there is to say he didn't. It's a he said, she said situation.
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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Alleged sex offender.

    It's a good thing you aren't on his jury. Apparantly you have found him guilty until proven innocent.
    Sweden rarely ever uses juries, and they would not be used in such a case.

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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

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    he has no trouble saying I shouldn't be on the jury because I've pre-judged the sex offender.
    You've pre-judged someone accused of being a sex offender. When you issue pre-conceived notions to an individual who hasn't been proven guilty, you have no business on a jury. What part of that fact do you struggle with... perhaps I can help.
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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Crow View Post
    Your response really shows the patriotism on your part, congratulations!!
    He's accused of rape, why should he be denied bail?


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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by E_Pluribus_Venom View Post
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    You've pre-judged someone accused of being a sex offender. When you issue pre-conceived notions to an individual who hasn't been proven guilty, you have no business on a jury. What part of that fact do you struggle with... perhaps I can help.
    You know what's funny? I've sat on like 5 criminal juries. That's right, I've totally sat in judgment of others. It's awesome.

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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    It says he "offered" to pay bail, I thought he was denied bail :S So he hasn't actually paid bail? Just offered to?

    Assange has accusations thrown at him and is wanted for questioning in Sweden, he hasn't even been charged yet, let alone convicted, let alone convicted of rape. Lets round up all the lawyers of rapists who have actually been charged (and not just accused, and actually of rape) and call them supporters of kiddy fiddlers. Fantastic. God bless the USA.

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    What I've seen is that "alleged" usually means guilty.
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