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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why would it be compelling evidence? All it proves is that the alleged victim and the alleged rapist had sexual intercourse or the alleged victim a used a turkey baster. It doesn't prove if the sexual intercourse was consensual or rape or that someone forcefully shoved a turkey baster in the alleged victim.
    Pardon the misunderstanding, I meant the fingerprints on the bullet.
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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

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    66,000 Iraqi civilians dead. Just sayin'.
    And Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with this. Just saying....
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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Alleged means declared but not proven. If you think it means guilty, then you need to buy a new dictionary.
    No, I know the dictionary definition is. What I'm saying is that, many times, "alleged" guilt turns out to be actual guilt.

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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Pardon the misunderstanding, I meant the fingerprints on the bullet.
    A finger print on the bullet doesn't prove you were the last person who touched the bullet. It doesn't prove you loaded the bullet.It doesn't prove you fired the weapon. All it proves is that you touched the bullet. And from what I understand shell casings are often reused which could have fingerprints.
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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    No, I know the dictionary definition is. What I'm saying is that, many times, "alleged" guilt turns out to be actual guilt.
    Doesnt matter. The prosecution still has to prove it's case against Assange. Put yourself in his shoes, would you want everyone to just shrug and say "Well, most everybody else that has been "alleged" to do something actually did it, so let's skip the trial and bang him up for life."

    Declaring him guilty or innocent before evidence has been heard demonstrates a desire to see a specific outcome that boosts one's personal viewpoint and a disregard for what ACTUALLY happened.
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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A finger print on the bullet doesn't prove you were the last person who touched the bullet. It doesn't prove you loaded the bullet.It doesn't prove you fired the weapon. All it proves is that you touched the bullet. And from what I understand shell casings are often reused which could have fingerprints.
    So, you're saying that any murder trial where the defendant was found guilty because of fingerprint evidence on the shell casing, the guilty verdict should be tossed?

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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    I don't think I've heard a single person accurately use the notion of patriotism. Somehow the vague notion of "supporting troops", whatever that means, is patriotic, but saying good things about an investigative filmmaker is not. Somehow dead civilians is fine, so long as they're not "patriots". The use of this term frankly disgusts me. Declaring one side of an argument to be "anti-American", as if somehow there really are people in this country who sit around and scheme about ways to destroy the country. No one does that. The side opposite yours actually thinks their way is better, and neither is unpatriotic.

    The only unpatriotic thing is silencing the discussion. The US is founded on open, transparent discussion and unfettered access to the political process. EVERY opinion is equally valid with every other one, and intelligent discussion and research will show the correct way to proceed. Stepping up and putting oneself on the line to better the nation... that's as patriotic as it gets. And do to it to better the whole world, that's just plain moral. I am, of course, referring to talk and communication, not violence.

    But seriously, stop with this "your side is anti-America" or "you're unpatriotic for thinking this". We're lucky in this country that there are no kings to whom one must adhere. Even capitalism isn't a necessary part of America. The only things that are, are "to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity".

    That's it. Everything else is negotiable. Stop with this anti-patriotism crap. It's a lie, and it's insulting.
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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    So, you're saying that any murder trial where the defendant was found guilty because of fingerprint evidence on the shell casing, the guilty verdict should be tossed?
    If that was the only thing then yes.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    So, you're saying that any murder trial where the defendant was found guilty because of fingerprint evidence on the shell casing, the guilty verdict should be tossed?
    By itself, no, that would not be sufficient evidence for a conviction. That is one piece of circumstantial evidence. The requirements for "beyond a reasonable doubt" is WAY beyond that.
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    Re: Michael Moore Pays Bail for Juilan Assange

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Meh, he's rich, he can afford it. I don't really care too much.
    "Yesterday, in the Westminster Magistrates Court in London, the lawyers for WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange presented to the judge a document from me stating that I have put up $20,000 of my own money to help bail Mr. Assange out of jail," Moore said in a statement posted online.
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    I think this quote from Moore-on is hilarious. For him $20k doesn't even approach his food bill for the week and he talks about it as if he's funding a small nation. LOL
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