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    Re: The Espionage Act And WikiLeaks - Would it End Journalism As We Know It?

    No, not even close.

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    Re: The Espionage Act And WikiLeaks - Would it End Journalism As We Know It?

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    First of all people should be able to discerb between the linker and the publisher of the leak. Wikileak is the latter. I am not sure that there is much or anything that could be called a state secret that someone should go to jail about.

    One thing this stuff exposes is how much is stamped secret when it really is not that sensitive.
    It seems that people are taking in what the government tells them like sheep. I expect that of conservatives. I am embarrassed to see so many so called liberals join in.

    With this type of thinking the New York Times would have been shut down 40 years ago.
    A couple examples of sensitive information that Wikileaks released:
    - The details of the US efforts to move enriched uranium out of a specific nuclear plant in Pakistan, with the consent of the government. This will almost certainly be scuttled now, and nuclear proliferation will be more likely.
    - The President of Yemen admitting to allowing the US to bomb terrorists within his country, then telling the public that it was him. This will make it harder to get Yemen's cooperation with American anti-terrorism efforts.
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    Re: The Espionage Act And WikiLeaks - Would it End Journalism As We Know It?

    I know the U.S. will try, but it's a stretch to charge Assange when he wasn't the one who stole the information. It was given to him by the people who did. Charge people from your own country with espionage if you must, but the press and its cohorts have nothing to do with that law.

    People who are blinded by anger due to Wikileaks are not seeing what this means for freedom of the press as a whole. Your government has no business charging info brokers in this manner. Besides, charging Assange would not bring closure to Wikileaks, it would only escalate its activities.

    Assange has already said and demonstrated that the more the governments of the world come down on him, the more intense the releases are going to be. I for one believe him. It makes much more sense to strengthen internal security to prevent info. from being released, than it is to attack every agency who uses the leaked information. The latter approach only erodes freedom of information and the press.

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    Re: The Espionage Act And WikiLeaks - Would it End Journalism As We Know It?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    A couple examples of sensitive information that Wikileaks released:
    - The details of the US efforts to move enriched uranium out of a specific nuclear plant in Pakistan, with the consent of the government. This will almost certainly be scuttled now, and nuclear proliferation will be more likely.
    Why would it be scuttled? (assuming of course that it hadn't already happened..which is possible..how old is that tid bit?) Afraid someone might try to hijack it? Simple enough to fix. Put more armed men on the transportation detail. I'd imagine that 100-200 men should be sufficient.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    - The President of Yemen admitting to allowing the US to bomb terrorists within his country, then telling the public that it was him. This will make it harder to get Yemen's cooperation with American anti-terrorism efforts.
    Quite possibly it will make it harder. But its not impossible.
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    Re: The Espionage Act And WikiLeaks - Would it End Journalism As We Know It?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Why would it be scuttled? (assuming of course that it hadn't already happened..which is possible..how old is that tid bit?) Afraid someone might try to hijack it? Simple enough to fix. Put more armed men on the transportation detail. I'd imagine that 100-200 men should be sufficient.

    Quite possibly it will make it harder. But its not impossible.
    In both Pakistan and Yemen, the government cannot be seen to be cooperating too closely with the United States for the sake of their own political survival. Yet they are both fully aware of the security problems present within their nations, and have been trying to discreetly cooperate when possible. By drawing attention to it, they are likely to draw ire from their political opponents and be less likely to help.
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    Re: The Espionage Act And WikiLeaks - Would it End Journalism As We Know It?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    In both Pakistan and Yemen, the government cannot be seen to be cooperating too closely with the United States for the sake of their own political survival. Yet they are both fully aware of the security problems present within their nations, and have been trying to discreetly cooperate when possible. By drawing attention to it, they are likely to draw ire from their political opponents and be less likely to help.
    That doesn't count. Unless it makes it actually IMPOSSIBLE, then nothing wikileaks does is ever bad.
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    Re: The Espionage Act And WikiLeaks - Would it End Journalism As We Know It?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    That doesn't count. Unless it makes it actually IMPOSSIBLE, then nothing wikileaks does is ever bad.
    Almost. As long as it's seen as damaging to the United States, impossibility isn't a detriment. It's just never bad.
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    Re: The Espionage Act And WikiLeaks - Would it End Journalism As We Know It?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    That doesn't count. Unless it makes it actually IMPOSSIBLE, then nothing wikileaks does is ever bad.
    Now I've never said this now have I? They are just like any other news agency in that what they do can hurt us. Is that bad? Yes it is. Does it make them bad? From a certain point of view yes. Does that make them bad enough for us to break with our 1st amendment standing? No it isn't. I will always stand up for their 1st amendment rights. But don't mistake standing up for their legal rights as standing up for their moral charactor. I can seperate the two quite easily and do so on many different subjects. Yes being able to do so is often contradictory to my own personal beliefs and moral standings. But objectivity is what is needed in this world. Not emotionality.
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    Re: The Espionage Act And WikiLeaks - Would it End Journalism As We Know It?

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Almost. As long as it's seen as damaging to the United States, impossibility isn't a detriment. It's just never bad.
    Do you really think that I, as an American, likes the US getting hurt? Anyone with even the slightest bit of patriotism would call BS to your statement.


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    Re: The Espionage Act And WikiLeaks - Would it End Journalism As We Know It?

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    That doesn't count. Unless it makes it actually IMPOSSIBLE, then nothing wikileaks does is ever bad.
    That's pretty much white washing over every critically constructed response that others have made in this thread.

    It's always nice to know that I've wasted my time.

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