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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Why does everything the dems try to do turn into a huge bill full of tons of BS, job killers, future entitlements, good chances of fraud and corruption and then get upset when republicans don't go along?
    because the dems have to spend other peoples' money to get elected. we who produce wealth mainly vote for the GOP. those who want to take wealth from others vote for the dems mainly. and the way the dems keep their bots voting for them is giving those voters handouts



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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You check your own history please. The Republicans controlled the Presidency, they controlled the House and there was a tie in the Senate but controlled it through the VP who was a Republican. Jeffords did not switch until after the Bush tax cuts in 2001. When more were passed in 2003, the GOP also controlled all three.

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    I guess you are ignorant of the filibuster and after Jeffords flipped the dems got control of the congress back for a time



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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The difference, of course, is that the Democrats had a good REASON to oppose it, as it goes directly against what they think is the best policy. DeMint opposed it for childish reasons, because he only got 99% of what he wanted.

    But you know what, you're right. Maybe DeMint's on to something here. I suggest all the conservatives here write to their congressmen and urge them to follow DeMint's lead and oppose the bill.
    I hope they do oppose the bill and will come back in bigger numbers in January with a better bill. Extending unemployment another 13 months is outrageous and is a real expense that has to be paid for. Tax cuts are a trumped up expense that doesn't exist unless you can explain to me how you keeping more of what you earn is an expense to the govt?

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The difference, of course, is that the Democrats had a good REASON to oppose it, as it goes directly against what they think is the best policy. DeMint opposed it for childish reasons, because he only got 99% of what he wanted.

    But you know what, you're right. Maybe DeMint's on to something here. I suggest all the conservatives here write to their congressmen and urge them to follow DeMint's lead and oppose the bill.
    lets cut the crap

    the dems win alot of votes from the envious by screaming about the "rich" getting GOP tax cuts. YET THE DEMS HAD COMPLETE CONTROL FOR TWO YEARS and did not repeal the bush tax RATES on the rich. WHY? Because many of the dems realized such a move would really F up the economy. So the dems whined about the rich and demonized the Bush tax rates while not making any effort to actually change them.

    WE CAN PROVE that the employment benefits is a COST to us while the haters of the rich cannot prove that tax hikes will actually pay down the deficit given the FACT that the dems have to keep handing out entitlements to win votes. FURTHERMORE, the dems have been proven liars on this issue-for years those turds in DC have claimed that the BUSH Tax rates ONLY HELPED THE RICH yet these same turds are now claiming that the tax breaks all but the rich got are GREAT and need to be continued.

    so tell us supporters of your rich dem masters who buy your votes with their spending and attacks on other rich people, why didnt your masters change the Bush tax rates in the last two years?



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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I hope they do oppose the bill and will come back in bigger numbers in January with a better bill. Extending unemployment another 13 months is outrageous and is a real expense that has to be paid for. Tax cuts are a trumped up expense that doesn't exist unless you can explain to me how you keeping more of what you earn is an expense to the govt?
    No, I completely agree. Horrible idea. Please complain loudly to your congressman and ensure he helps to scuttle the deal.
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    lets cut the crap

    the dems win alot of votes from the envious by screaming about the "rich" getting GOP tax cuts. YET THE DEMS HAD COMPLETE CONTROL FOR TWO YEARS and did not repeal the bush tax RATES on the rich. WHY? Because many of the dems realized such a move would really F up the economy. So the dems whined about the rich and demonized the Bush tax rates while not making any effort to actually change them.
    Because they were set to expire anyway, so there was no REASON to make a big stink about them just to end them a year earlier. Now Obama and his Republican friends want to extend them; that's a much bigger problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude
    WE CAN PROVE that the employment benefits is a COST to us while the haters of the rich cannot prove that tax hikes will actually pay down the deficit given the FACT that the dems have to keep handing out entitlements to win votes. FURTHERMORE, the dems have been proven liars on this issue-for years those turds in DC have claimed that the BUSH Tax rates ONLY HELPED THE RICH yet these same turds are now claiming that the tax breaks all but the rich got are GREAT and need to be continued.
    I'm failing to see the disconnect here. They want the tax cuts for the rich to end, and the tax cuts for everyone else to continue. What part of that is confusing you?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude
    so tell us supporters of your rich dem masters who buy your votes with their spending and attacks on other rich people, why didnt your masters change the Bush tax rates in the last two years?
    Because that would have required spending political capital on something that was going to end soon anyway. Extending them is a whole different matter.

    And for the record: I'm not even necessarily opposed to a compromise where the tax cuts for the wealthy are extended for another year or two...as long as the Democrats get some kind of worthwhile stimulus spending in exchange. And capitulation on the estate tax was just gratuitous and disgusting.
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No, I completely agree. Horrible idea. Please complain loudly to your congressman and ensure he helps to scuttle the deal.
    Working on it

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Because they were set to expire anyway, so there was no REASON to make a big stink about them just to end them a year earlier. Now Obama and his Republican friends want to extend them; that's a much bigger problem.



    I'm failing to see the disconnect here. They want the tax cuts for the rich to end, and the tax cuts for everyone else to continue. What part of that is confusing you?



    Because that would have required spending political capital on something that was going to end soon anyway. Extending them is a whole different matter.

    And for the record: I'm not even necessarily opposed to a compromise where the tax cuts for the wealthy are extended for another year or two...as long as the Democrats get some kind of worthwhile stimulus spending in exchange. And capitulation on the estate tax was just gratuitous and disgusting.
    that's lame--the dems have been howling like stuck pigs how bad the tax rates for the rich were-you are trying to justify political cowardice.

    why do the dems hate people who are thrifty and save for their children. 55% on top of income that was taxed at a third or more? Good God that is what is really disgusting.

    you are playing stupid if you don't see the point about tax rates for everyone but the top 2% remaining--your dem masters claimed that only the rich benefited from those BUsh rates. So restoring the CLinton levels on those 98% wouldn't be deleterious since the original cuts provided no benefit



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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that's lame--the dems have been howling like stuck pigs how bad the tax rates for the rich were-you are trying to justify political cowardice.
    No, political pragmatism. Why WOULD they want to create a big fuss just to make the Bush tax cuts expire a year earlier? They had more important things to worry about than an extra year of tax cuts. Actively working to extend them is a whole different ballgame.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude
    why do the dems hate people who are thrifty and save for their children. 55% on top of income that was taxed at a third or more? Good God that is what is really disgusting.
    Yes yes, the poor rich folk. In a nation with a very high GDP per capita and a very high degree of wealth disparity, you have it pretty rough in this country, don't you.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude
    you are playing stupid if you don't see the point about tax rates for everyone but the top 2% remaining--your dem masters claimed that only the rich benefited from those BUsh rates. So restoring the CLinton levels on those 98% wouldn't be deleterious since the original cuts provided no benefit
    Regardless of what you imagine that the Democrats claimed, the fact is that middle-class tax cuts are significantly more stimulative for the economy than tax cuts for the wealthy, because the money is more likely to be spent.
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No, political pragmatism. Why WOULD they want to create a big fuss just to make the Bush tax cuts expire a year earlier? They had more important things to worry about than an extra year of tax cuts. Actively working to extend them is a whole different ballgame.



    Yes yes, the poor rich folk. In a nation with a very high GDP per capita and a very high degree of wealth disparity, you have it pretty rough in this country, don't you.



    Regardless of what you imagine that the Democrats claimed, the fact is that middle-class tax cuts are significantly more stimulative for the economy than tax cuts for the wealthy, because the money is more likely to be spent.
    political pragmatism? I guess that is one way of hiding behind their words and not acting.

    why didn't you dems claim that those Bush rates for the middle class were useful in 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08, 09?

    I love your attitude towards the rich--nothing screams LOSER louder



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