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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    No, you just took up half a page and said nothing. Congratulations! If you don't know the difference in the various kinds of taxes then nothing I can say will help you. I have no interest in going back to read your posts on other forums only in responding to the inaccurate statements you post here.
    *facepalm*

    What makes you think I don't know the difference between taxes. Please provide evidence of this. On the contrary, I've separated them out numerous times.

    What exactly do you want me to do? Be able to quote the statistics for all federal, state and local taxes off the top of my head? What's your criteria for "knowing the difference in the various kinds of taxes"?

    Also, as I recall, the poll tax riots were in response to measures imposed by Margaret Thatcher to create a flat-tax, which led to a massive drop in Conservative Party approval.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Republicans will fight like caged animals to cut taxes for the wealthy but they raise the middle finger to policemen and firefighters who need help in the 911 attacks

    Republicans Block Passage of 9/11 Responder Aid Bill | Public Intelligence

    This truly sickens me and makes me ashamed that such a political party even exists in this country. I bet Abe Lincoln would have the same reaction.

    Even with Monday’s deal between President Obama and top Republicans,[B] no American’s income tax rates will actually decline on January 1 (although, if the deal passes, workers will notice a modest reduction in their payroll taxes in 2011). Yet throughout this debate, the broadcast networks have insisted on framing the debate as about “tax cuts” and “tax breaks,” not about forestalling a tax increase that could jeopardize the weak recovery.[/B]Network reporters used the phrase “tax cut” a total of 71 times to characterize the issue at hand. CBS’s Nancy Cordes, for example, talked about “the battle over the Bush tax cuts” on the November 15 Evening News. Two nights later, NBC’s Chuck Todd related a new poll showing how “49 percent say don’t give the wealthy these tax cuts” — as if the “the wealthy” would be getting some new gift from the government.In contrast, the more accurate term “tax increase” or a synonymous phrase (e.g. tax hike, tax rise) was used only 11 times, or less than one-sixth as often as the phrase “tax cut” was employed.

    Surprise! Mainstream Media Frame Tax Debate as About Tax Cuts, Not Tax Hikes | The Right Sphere - Conservative Blogs, Columnists, News and Opinion
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    *facepalm*

    What makes you think I don't know the difference between taxes. Please provide evidence of this. On the contrary, I've separated them out numerous times.

    What exactly do you want me to do? Be able to quote the statistics for all federal, state and local taxes off the top of my head? What's your criteria for "knowing the difference in the various kinds of taxes"?

    Also, as I recall, the poll tax riots were in response to measures imposed by Margaret Thatcher to create a flat-tax, which led to a massive drop in Conservative Party approval.
    There is no evidence that many here understand the difference between taxes as evidenced by the posts here. If you aren't one of those then my apology but anyone here that believes tax cuts or people keeping more of what they earn is an expense to the govt. obviously doesn't understand basic accounting nor do they understand that there is no tie between people keeping more of what they earn and spending by Congress. There is no evidence that Congress has ever done what individuals do, match revenue and expenses and if the revenue doesn't equal they spending they cut the spending.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

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    Even with Monday’s deal between President Obama and top Republicans,[B] no American’s income tax rates will actually decline on January 1 (although, if the deal passes, workers will notice a modest reduction in their payroll taxes in 2011). Yet throughout this debate, the broadcast networks have insisted on framing the debate as about “tax cuts” and “tax breaks,” not about forestalling a tax increase that could jeopardize the weak recovery.[/B]Network reporters used the phrase “tax cut” a total of 71 times to characterize the issue at hand. CBS’s Nancy Cordes, for example, talked about “the battle over the Bush tax cuts” on the November 15 Evening News. Two nights later, NBC’s Chuck Todd related a new poll showing how “49 percent say don’t give the wealthy these tax cuts” — as if the “the wealthy” would be getting some new gift from the government.In contrast, the more accurate term “tax increase” or a synonymous phrase (e.g. tax hike, tax rise) was used only 11 times, or less than one-sixth as often as the phrase “tax cut” was employed.

    Surprise! Mainstream Media Frame Tax Debate as About Tax Cuts, Not Tax Hikes | The Right Sphere - Conservative Blogs, Columnists, News and Opinion
    kinda like how faux news insisted on calling the public option "government run healthcare"....directed to do so from management. and btw, the battle IS about the bush tax cuts. how is THAT dishonest?

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There is no evidence that many here understand the difference between taxes as evidenced by the posts here. If you aren't one of those then my apology but anyone here that believes tax cuts or people keeping more of what they earn is an expense to the govt. obviously doesn't understand basic accounting nor do they understand that there is no tie between people keeping more of what they earn and spending by Congress. There is no evidence that Congress has ever done what individuals do, match revenue and expenses and if the revenue doesn't equal they spending they cut the spending.
    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    from a budget standpoint tax cuts are not in themselves expenses, by definition
    I agree with you on what you said above, Congress does spend too much. We probably disagree on what, but that's fine :P

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Shameful, disgraceful and beyond any rational excuse. Turning their backs on the brave men and women who rushed into those burning buildings on 911. Its just beyond any petty political excuse. Each GOP member who voted NO should have to go to the home of those brave men and women and explain their political excuses and see what reaction they get.

    Shame on them.
    Why does everything the dems try to do turn into a huge bill full of tons of BS, job killers, future entitlements, good chances of fraud and corruption and then get upset when republicans don't go along?
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    kinda like how faux news insisted on calling the public option "government run healthcare"....directed to do so from management. and btw, the battle IS about the bush tax cuts. how is THAT dishonest?
    Because there are no tax cuts, just an extension of the current rates. Calling them tax cuts is dishonest.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Because there are no tax cuts, just an extension of the current rates. Calling them tax cuts is dishonest.
    the specific quote mentioned was "fight over the bush tax cuts"....and that's exactly what this is. that stupid article is more right wing crap designed to inflame.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    kinda like how faux news insisted on calling the public option "government run healthcare"....directed to do so from management. and btw, the battle IS about the bush tax cuts. how is THAT dishonest?
    Because the media keeps reporting that the republicans want to give the rich a tax cut, when all they want to do is keep them the same. The dems want to give the rich a tax hike. It's terribly misleading the way the media is portraying it. If it passes and everyone's taxes stay the same, people will be wondering where their tax cut is. I mean they keep saying Rep want to give them to the rich and the dems want to give them to the middle class.
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Because there are no tax cuts, just an extension of the current rates. Calling them tax cuts is dishonest.
    Newsflash for you Conservative: the current rates have already been raised. And they were raised by President Bush and the Congress who passed the previous bill. They go into effect on January 1st. They have already been raised and if nothing is done then on the first of next month the government will begin taking the money based on those raised rates.
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