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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Since you aren't a liberal (your claim)
    Did I claim that? Liberal has so many different meanings these days. I'm sure I'd classify myself as a liberal by some of them, but not as one by some of the others.

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    how would you know what a liberal thinks?
    I'd imagine I'd find out in the same way a conservative does. By talking to them.

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    Why are you concerned about my opinion on liberals?
    For the same reason I'm concerned over unfair/inaccurate opinion Liberals have of Conservatives; I like the truth. And I like to help other people find it. And let other people show me it. Why do you care what anyone else thinks then?

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    An independent wouldn't care what someone else thinks about someone of another political ideology.
    Given that everyone has a political opinion, does this mean independents don't care about what anyone thinks of anyone? This is a prerequisite to being an independent? I spose all of the other independents who shoot down false conservative opinion about liberals, and false liberal opinion about conservatives, should all change their lean.

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    If you are indeed independent shouldn't you be concerned about the misinformation being spread by liberals in this forum?
    I am, when I find it I'll point it out to you. I have before, go read my posts. In the thread on the Bush tax cuts alone I cut down unfair/inaccurate liberal opinion 5 times from memory.

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    Why aren't you, Mr. Independent, challenging the comments here regarding use taxes vs. income taxes?
    I don't know what you specifically mean by "taxes vs. income taxes", but I've pointed out numerous times before the different sources of revenue (in fact, as I recall, I made a graph for just that reason; to separate out income tax from capital gains tax, payroll tax, corporate tax, etc, etc). Perhaps you could enlighten me as to your meaning here.

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    Contrary to your opinion, I am no following you in this forum and only respond to posts you actually make in forums that I am part of.
    ?? This one didn't even make sense. I don't think that at all. I go to the main page and click whatever new threads are up on the right hand side. I then read each one and comment where applicable. I don't know why you'd believe that I think you have some weird following of my posts.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I really, really hope this is true and DeMint and his idiot acolytes scuttle this deal. Leave it to them to not be satisfied with getting 99% of what they want.
    House Dems reject Obama's tax plan - Political Intelligence - A national political and campaign blog from The Boston Globe - Boston.com

    Nancy and her ilk opposed first, even though 99% of it they were for.
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    chances are big, since the GOP policy since day one has been.. do not give the black socialist Muslim in the white house any victory what so ever... hence the party of NO has emerged.
    Yet it was the House dems saying **** the president and JUST SAY NO!
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    haymarket;1059149927]All by itself, without considering anything else before the Congress, the refusal of the GOP to pass the bill spending $7 billion to help the families of the dead and the current living responders who are seriously ill is disgraceful, shameful and merits only the greatest contempt. All by itself.
    You didn't answer the question, did you read the bill or are you reporting what you have been told. Seems that spending in the name of compassion is all that matters to you. This bill is over 7 billion dollars, 7 BILLION DOLLARS!! What else is in that bill or does it even matter?

    But in a real world it is not all by itself.

    When you then couple that with the GOP embrace of the wealthy and their desire continue applying oral massage to the rear end of the wealthiest in this land, it is doubly disgraceful, doubly shameful and even more contemptible.

    Allowing people to keep more of what they earn has nothing to do with Congressional spending. Stop embarrassing yourself.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I can't recall I have ever brought race into it here personally, and of course you guys don't. Denying that the majority of Americans however that do not like Obama--and keep in mind you are going to try and argue against a guy that lives in Kentucky--do not bring his race up though is lying to yourselves. Anyways, I have nothing else to contribute other than Republicans forgot what the word compromise means (they think it means give it all) and Obama forgot what it means (he must think it means take in the ass).
    Seriously, where have you been? Dems have been having a hissy fit trying to stop this bill since Obama announced the compromise. Demint didn't come out until later.
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Did I claim that? Liberal has so many different meanings these days. I'm sure I'd classify myself as a liberal by some of them, but not as one by some of the others.



    I'd imagine I'd find out in the same way a conservative does. By talking to them.



    For the same reason I'm concerned over unfair/inaccurate opinion Liberals have of Conservatives; I like the truth. And I like to help other people find it. And let other people show me it. Why do you care what anyone else thinks then?



    Given that everyone has a political opinion, does this mean independents don't care about what anyone thinks of anyone? This is a prerequisite to being an independent? I spose all of the other independents who shoot down false conservative opinion about liberals, and false liberal opinion about conservatives, should all change their lean.



    I am, when I find it I'll point it out to you. I have before, go read my posts. In the thread on the Bush tax cuts alone I cut down unfair/inaccurate liberal opinion 5 times from memory.



    I don't know what you specifically mean by "taxes vs. income taxes", but I've pointed out numerous times before the different sources of revenue (in fact, as I recall, I made a graph for just that reason; to separate out income tax from capital gains tax, payroll tax, corporate tax, etc, etc). Perhaps you could enlighten me as to your meaning here.



    ?? This one didn't even make sense. I don't think that at all. I go to the main page and click whatever new threads are up on the right hand side. I then read each one and comment where applicable. I don't know why you'd believe that I think you have some weird following of my posts.
    No, you just took up half a page and said nothing. Congratulations! If you don't know the difference in the various kinds of taxes then nothing I can say will help you. I have no interest in going back to read your posts on other forums only in responding to the inaccurate statements you post here.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You totally miss the point. Imagine that. the thread is about a subject of conservative defections from the tax deal. fine. But then several conservative posters - three in a row - attempt to focus in on the issue of racism simply because one poster humorously included it in his post. Its the conservative cause celebre to attack any such charge of racism and make the issue about false charges of racism. The conservative goal is to make even bringing up the word RACISM as such a huge pain in the butt that it is then taken off the table.

    Those facts are indeed my friend
    And the fact is, it's the dems who came out STRONGLY against the bill.
    Demint came out later.
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    If DeMint and the Club for Growth actually have the congressional numbers of support that they think they do, Obama only has one choice. Scrap the whole thing. Demint wants permanent Bush tax cuts. Let them expire. The unemployed will just have to find a way to make money.
    It's the house Dems for the most part.

    A number of House Democrats are pushing back hard against President Obama’s compromise tax deal, with one calling the plan to extend the Bush tax cuts, “fiscally irresponsible” and “grossly unfair.”
    Rep. Peter Welch, D-Vermont, is leading the charge. He fired the opening salvo against the President in a letter circulated to House Democrats Monday night, calling on them to vote down the deal because it does not go far enough to protect the middle class.A House Divided: Congressional Dems Oppose Obama's 'Unfair' Tax Deal - The Note
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Does anyone know (or have an estimate) on how much the Bush tax cuts will cost for only the wealthiest 2 per cent of wage earners over the next 2-years?
    Keeping the taxes the same is not a "cost" at all. We are not taking money and giving it to the top 2% anymore than we are spending money on the other 98% to keep their taxes the same. Again, Keeping taxes the same, does not add to the debt. Spending does.


    The unemployment benefits, and other goodies in the bill, are a cost. From what I'm hearing it is like an 800 billion some stimulous package.
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Keeping the taxes the same is not a "cost" at all. We are not taking money and giving it to the top 2% anymore than we are spending money on the other 98% to keep their taxes the same. Again, Keeping taxes the same, does not add to the debt. Spending does.


    The unemployment benefits, and other goodies in the bill, are a cost. From what I'm hearing it is like an 800 billion some stimulous package.
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