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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Could you please provide me with this list of millions of free places to sleep? Hell, we could solve the homeless problem today!



    Math iz haaarrd... First adjust for inflation.... Not 14 times anymore izzit?

    And I was referring to our philosophy of how the GDP is dispersed as a nation. Can you explain how the middle class would have come to be without all the "entitlements" you go on about? Like the 40 hour workweek and minimum wage laws. Here's a fun question: If there was a New Deal, what exactlywas the Old Deal, hmm?
    Isn't this country great, you can demonize the greatest economic system in the world and not be prosecuted for it. You really need to get out and travel a little to see what you are missing in other countries.

    Not sure where you are going to school but it is quite scary. I worked in the business world for 35 years and succeeded, but then again my attitude was a lot different than yours.

    I learned personal responsibility and if I didn't want to pay "taxes" to property owners I found another piece of property that didn't charge those "taxes" and if I didn't like the job I had and since I was looking for a job when I found the one I had for 35 years, I could have found another.

    You see, I learned a lot in school and learned a lot on the job. I made myself valuable and thus I went though a lot worse recession than this one along with other recessions and survived them all. How do you think I did that?

    The only entitlement I ever expected was being entitled to equal opportunity, the outcome was my responsibility. Today it seems that entitlement mentality is one that you are entitled to healthcare insurance, you are entitled to retirement income, you are entitled to a job, to a house, to low cost schooling among other things. As I was growing up I looked at most of those as my responsibility. Funny how times have changed.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

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    Isn't this country great, you can demonize the greatest economic system in the world and not be prosecuted for it. You really need to get out and travel a little to see what you are missing in other countries.

    Not sure where you are going to school but it is quite scary. I worked in the business world for 35 years and succeeded, but then again my attitude was a lot different than yours.

    I learned personal responsibility and if I didn't want to pay "taxes" to property owners I found another piece of property that didn't charge those "taxes" and if I didn't like the job I had and since I was looking for a job when I found the one I had for 35 years, I could have found another.

    You see, I learned a lot in school and learned a lot on the job. I made myself valuable and thus I went though a lot worse recession than this one along with other recessions and survived them all. How do you think I did that?

    The only entitlement I ever expected was being entitled to equal opportunity, the outcome was my responsibility. Today it seems that entitlement mentality is one that you are entitled to healthcare insurance, you are entitled to retirement income, you are entitled to a job, to a house, to low cost schooling among other things. As I was growing up I looked at most of those as my responsibility. Funny how times have changed.
    Alumni, School of hard knocks. 46 years old. Made my way through every downturn just fine, by being well above average. I just feel for those who aren't quite as tricky as me instead of considering them prey. You must be waiting for instructions on how to deal with the "Privatization of Sleep" concept. Again, where can you sleep in the US without someone paying a landlord? Millions of homeless are literally dying to know.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Alumni, School of hard knocks. 46 years old. Made my way through every downturn just fine, by being well above average. I just feel for those who aren't quite as tricky as me instead of considering them prey. You must be waiting for instructions on how to deal with the "Privatization of Sleep" concept. Again, where can you sleep in the US without someone paying a landlord? Millions of homeless are literally dying to know.
    Millions of homeless have the same opportunity as you and I have. Many studies have been done and found that most of those homeless are there by choice, not because there aren't other options. There is a lot of drug abuse by the homeless but there are local programs in my community that help those that really want the help. It is all about personal responsibility, one has to want help and seek it vs. being given anything or receiving forced help. That doesn't work at all.

    Instead of paying a landlord I prefer home ownership and you even have a choice where to buy thus affecting your property tax rates so not sure where you get the idea that you can sleep without someone paying.

    Nothing wrong with being from the school of hard knocks as I prefer street smarts individuals and in fact helped hundreds become better employees and earn more money. I did go to college but learned a lot from by Dad and his own family owned business, tools which I used to be successful for 35 years.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Millions of homeless have the same opportunity as you and I have. Many studies have been done and found that most of those homeless are there by choice, not because there aren't other options. There is a lot of drug abuse by the homeless but there are local programs in my community that help those that really want the help. It is all about personal responsibility, one has to want help and seek it vs. being given anything or receiving forced help. That doesn't work at all.

    Instead of paying a landlord I prefer home ownership and you even have a choice where to buy thus affecting your property tax rates so not sure where you get the idea that you can sleep without someone paying.

    Nothing wrong with being from the school of hard knocks as I prefer street smarts individuals and in fact helped hundreds become better employees and earn more money. I did go to college but learned a lot from by Dad and his own family owned business, tools which I used to be successful for 35 years.
    Again, one last time, there is NOWHERE that I know of where it is legal to sleep without someone paying landlords/owners for the privelege. And how do people who can't afford rent buy a home? I was just pointing out that sleep has been privatized. How this impacts our society is far too complex for the discussion area, but a blog post is in the works. I hope to hear your input at that time. I am attempting to address the impact of PR techniques on our national discourse, from BOTH sides, in an effort to foment genuine, open discussion. Nothing personal.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Again, one last time, there is NOWHERE that I know of where it is legal to sleep without someone paying landlords/owners for the privelege. And how do people who can't afford rent buy a home? I was just pointing out that sleep has been privatized. How this impacts our society is far too complex for the discussion area, but a blog post is in the works. I hope to hear your input at that time. I am attempting to address the impact of PR techniques on our national discourse, from BOTH sides, in an effort to foment genuine, open discussion. Nothing personal.
    Sounds like a research paper on the way. I live in Houston, TX and we have both a men's and women's shelter for the homeless that is funded by taxpayer dollars here along with contributions from citizens. The homeless have a place to stay and to eat for as long as they need it and the operative word here is need it. Studies have been done as to why there are so many homeless with the underlying issue being drug and alchohol abuse which again are personal responsibility issues.

    What many here want to do is broad brush everything, we need a 3.6 trillion dollar budget to take care of those truly in need. That is total and complete bs. Identify the problem and focus on the problem instead of just throwing money at the problem. Millions of Americans can but won't work, they lost their incentive and drive. Millions of other Americans need the help and being the compassionate nation that we are often we get confused and offer help to those who can but don't work.

    Trillions and trillions of dollars have been thrown at the problem and still the problem is there and in fact is worse. My solution is tough love to those who can but choose not to work and compassion to the others. The last thing anyone can do is simply throw money at the problem and expect that to solve the problem. When you do that you get what we have today. Your solution?

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The bill was a massive extension of the Bush tax cuts and a lower estate tax, and in exchange the Democrats got...an extension of unemployment benefits. Whoa. I'm so impressed. What an awesome deal. Yeah, I have no idea why Democrats would be opposed to that.
    It's all a crap shoot. There's no way to know in advance what's good or bad for the country, so take what you get and hold your nose. At least millions of unemployment checks will continue for another year, and that's a big plus for struggling families.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Again, one last time, there is NOWHERE that I know of where it is legal to sleep without someone paying landlords/owners for the privelege
    own your own land. best option, really, so long as you don't intend on moving around constantly.

    And how do people who can't afford rent buy a home?
    i would like to see these people who can't afford rent despite having made good life choices (such as graduating high school, not having children out of wedlock, etc).

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