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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    People live where they do for a variety of reasons including job, family and comfort level. Taxes, I would guess are down the list for most persons after those factors.
    If you choose to live in a high tax state because of the reasons you state then don't whine about the high taxes, high unemployment, and poorer economic conditions.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So the rich are planning to riot?
    I never see proposed solutions from you, why?

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

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    I never see proposed solutions from you, why?
    he's to busy bitching.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    he's to busy bitching.
    That is what members of the left do, bitch and complain but never offer solutions. They do know that if they offer the solutions that they really want that those solutions would be rejected completely. Right now the majority in this country want the Bush era tax rates extended but that doesn't fit into the liberal agenda. Nor does it fit into their agenda to point out the actual taxes paid by income class that show that the top income earners pay by far the largest percentage of the taxes. That is confirmed by the IRS but the left ignores that preferring instead to spout rhetoric promoting class warfare. I will continue to post this until it is recognized.

    Regarding the tax proposal in Congress:

    There are no Tax cuts here, the discussion is about extending the current RATES or RATE HIKES.

    Regarding taxes paid:

    The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all taxes.
    The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all taxes.
    The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all taxes.

    The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all taxes.

    Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.

    Source - IRS published figures.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you have a solution to the problem? What I find interesting is the continued confusion between Federal Income taxes and use taxes imposed by the state and federal govt. I lived in a high tax state in my early years and got fed up with it an moved. That is taking personal responsibility instead of whining.
    Congratulations! You missed the whole point! What would I suggest? Return to the tax and economic policies in place from WW2 'til Reagan, where everybody was moving forward at about the same pace. Instead of the upper percentiles rocketing ahead while everyone else stagnates. Also desensitize the general population to the tools and techniques of persuasion used to propagandize them by challenging the use of the tools themselves. For example: ignoring the point and changing the subject in an attempt to divert the discussion, as in your "reply". Would you like to try again?

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Congratulations! You missed the whole point! What would I suggest? Return to the tax and economic policies in place from WW2 'til Reagan, where everybody was moving forward at about the same pace. Instead of the upper percentiles rocketing ahead while everyone else stagnates. Also desensitize the general population to the tools and techniques of persuasion used to propagandize them by challenging the use of the tools themselves. For example: ignoring the point and changing the subject in an attempt to divert the discussion, as in your "reply". Would you like to try again?
    So would you revert to the budget of that era as well? I asked you for a solution to the economic problems we have today and the tax compromise which is the topic of this thread? Every time I post the tax numbers showing that a large percentage of the population doesn't pay any Federal Income tax I get the diversion to local, state, and federal use taxes. Doesn't seem that many on the left understand that those taxes are use taxes and if you don't use the services you don't pay the taxes. I don't see any reason to restate the point again but I do think you need to try and answer the question posed.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Congratulations! You missed the whole point! What would I suggest? Return to the tax and economic policies in place from WW2 'til Reagan, where everybody was moving forward at about the same pace. Instead of the upper percentiles rocketing ahead while everyone else stagnates. Also desensitize the general population to the tools and techniques of persuasion used to propagandize them by challenging the use of the tools themselves. For example: ignoring the point and changing the subject in an attempt to divert the discussion, as in your "reply". Would you like to try again?
    This pretty much says it all

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So would you revert to the budget of that era as well? I asked you for a solution to the economic problems we have today and the tax compromise which is the topic of this thread? Every time I post the tax Ynumbers showing that a large percentage of the population doesn't pay any Federal Income tax I get the diversion to local, state, and federal use taxes. Doesn't seem that many on the left understand that those taxes are use taxes and if you don't use the services you don't pay the taxes. I don't see any reason to restate the point again but I do think you need to try and answer the question posed.
    Sure, why not, as percentages, not actual numbers. And I was referring to "taxes" imposed by owners/landlords for the "privelege" of living, not govt imposed taxes. It would seem that you agree with me on the propaganda issue, as the "diversions" you speak of are also the result of propagandizing the American people.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Sure, why not, as percentages, not actual numbers. And I was referring to "taxes" imposed by owners/landlords for the "privelege" of living, not govt imposed taxes. It would seem that you agree with me on the propaganda issue, as the "diversions" you speak of are also the result of propagandizing the American people.
    You have a lot of growing up to do but it all begins with accepting personal responsibility. No one is forcing you to live in a place where owners/landowners impose taxes for the priviledge of living. there are millions of places to live so why pay a landlord for what you feel is outrageous.

    Let me give you some historical perspective, in 1965 there were approximately 175 million people and a Federal Budget of around 250 billion dollars. Today there are approximately 310 million people, not quite double and a 3.6 trillion dollar budget or an increase of over 14 times. So what percentae do you want to increase the budget ?

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You have a lot of growing up to do but it all begins with accepting personal responsibility. No one is forcing you to live in a place where owners/landowners impose taxes for the priviledge of living. there are millions of places to live so why pay a landlord for what you feel is outrageous.
    Could you please provide me with this list of millions of free places to sleep? Hell, we could solve the homeless problem today!

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Let me give you some historical perspective, in 1965 there were approximately 175 million people and a Federal Budget of around 250 billion dollars. Today there are approximately 310 million people, not quite double and a 3.6 trillion dollar budget or an increase of over 14 times. So what percentae do you want to increase the budget ?
    Math iz haaarrd... First adjust for inflation.... Not 14 times anymore izzit?

    And I was referring to our philosophy of how the GDP is dispersed as a nation. Can you explain how the middle class would have come to be without all the "entitlements" you go on about? Like the 40 hour workweek and minimum wage laws. Here's a fun question: If there was a New Deal, what exactlywas the Old Deal, hmm?

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