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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    a couple of days ago I said that I DID NOT want blood - but was fearful that the right wing was setting up a situation where it might happen and could be a reality. that is why we need to correct this economic imbalance right now before it gets bad. What I want is immaterial to the reality of the worsening situation and a very dangerous trend which threatens our entire way of life and nation.
    what is really causing a bad situation to perhaps happen is so many people think the government exists to take care of them and other people have a duty to pay for that



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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    see, I noted in another post that the socialist left is going to spew "far-right" or "radical right".

    I want to be not saddled with having to care for people like you
    Lmfao... Rather arrogant, don't ya think? Lol, you can trust me on this, if nothing else: Neither you, nor anyone else, is taking care of me. Besides, I don't take the measure of a man by his net worth. I count my blessings every day.

    I rest my case on the right's understanding of the left. You pretty well prove my point. And once again, the numbers don't support your position on the Left Leaners. As a rule, they're pretty successful. And for all the bluster, this president has spoken of nothing but personal responsibility, from fatherhood to foreign policy; even admitting to his mistakes - oh my. Refreshing, no?

    When I speak of the radical right, I also understand that the radical left is no better. They're the same animal and destructive. If you choose to live your life in the far right camp, that's your choice and has nothing to do with me. Paying for the benefits and opportunities this country affords through sound economic and social policies are worth the cost to me. A nation that turns her back on her own people ends up like Old Testament Israel every time, if a clearer illustration helps at all.
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Kev316 View Post
    Lmfao... Rather arrogant, don't ya think? Lol, you can trust me on this, if nothing else: Neither you, nor anyone else, is taking care of me. Besides, I don't take the measure of a man by his net worth. I count my blessings every day.

    I rest my case on the right's understanding of the left. You pretty well prove my point. And once again, the numbers don't support your position on the Left Leaners. As a rule, they're pretty successful. And for all the bluster, this president has spoken of nothing but personal responsibility, from fatherhood to foreign policy; even admitting to his mistakes - oh my. Refreshing, no?

    When I speak of the radical right, I also understand that the radical left is no better. They're the same animal and destructive. If you choose to live your life in the far right camp, that's your choice and has nothing to do with me. Paying for the benefits and opportunities this country affords through sound economic and social policies are worth the cost to me. A nation that turns her back on her own people ends up like Old Testament Israel every time, if a clearer illustration helps at all.
    How do YOU define "far right"



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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Hold the presses, this seems to be far from a done deal.
    Club for Growth you say? Woo Hoo!!! There's Dick Armey and the Freedom Works/Tea Party/Koch Boys! I was wondering where they've been since the election. Ha!
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you think income redistribution is the answer? This country wasn't built on the principles of income redistribution which many on the left seem to support. How does income redistribution affect incentive and creativity? How much of your income do you give to others?

    There are no Tax cuts here, the discussion is about extending the current RATES or RATE HIKES.

    The top 1% of wage earners make 20% of all income and pay 38% of all taxes.
    The top 5% of wage earners make 34.7% of all income and pay 58.7% of all taxes.
    The top 10% of wage earners make 45.8% of all income and pay 69.9% of all taxes.

    The bottom 50% make 12.8% of all income and pay 2.7% of all taxes.

    Currently approximately 47% of all Americans pay nothing and actually get money back making their tax rate negative.
    And still econonomic inequality grows each year. Make no mistake the middle class in this country is a product of forced redistribution of wealth, hence the name New Deal. The briefest perusal of the conservative blogosphere reveals they've been bitching about this since it's passage. But all the "meme-tenders"
    on the conservative side of forums skip the middle class in their diatribes, to avoid alienating middle class republicans and independants. The middle class is being liquidated, nothing.more, nothing less. And let's stop allowing the right to use the "productive" rich/parasitic poor meme unchallenged. The majority of the money being extracted in this country produces nothing of value, it's just manipulative speculation, computerized micro-transactions etc.. I have the links at home, so manufacture your responses accordingly, and prepare to have them deconstructed by persuasion techniques used. Oh and I live in southern California, where the "sleep tax" paid to landlords starts at about $1000/month. And save the"poor landlords" nonsense. If there was "anywhere" to sleep without paying said tax those arguments might have relevance. There is not so they do not.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    How do YOU define "far right"
    A majority completely defenseless to the tools of persuasion, ruled by a minority that wields these tools with great skill. And Turtledude.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    How do YOU define "far right"
    Someone wanting to repeal progressive reforms made after the gilded age

    That would be you turtle.
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    And still econonomic inequality grows each year. Make no mistake the middle class in this country is a product of forced redistribution of wealth, hence the name New Deal. The briefest perusal of the conservative blogosphere reveals they've been bitching about this since it's passage. But all the "meme-tenders"
    on the conservative side of forums skip the middle class in their diatribes, to avoid alienating middle class republicans and independants. The middle class is being liquidated, nothing.more, nothing less. And let's stop allowing the right to use the "productive" rich/parasitic poor meme unchallenged. The majority of the money being extracted in this country produces nothing of value, it's just manipulative speculation, computerized micro-transactions etc.. I have the links at home, so manufacture your responses accordingly, and prepare to have them deconstructed by persuasion techniques used. Oh and I live in southern California, where the "sleep tax" paid to landlords starts at about $1000/month. And save the"poor landlords" nonsense. If there was "anywhere" to sleep without paying said tax those arguments might have relevance. There is not so they do not.
    Do you have a solution to the problem? What I find interesting is the continued confusion between Federal Income taxes and use taxes imposed by the state and federal govt. I lived in a high tax state in my early years and got fed up with it an moved. That is taking personal responsibility instead of whining.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Do you have a solution to the problem? What I find interesting is the continued confusion between Federal Income taxes and use taxes imposed by the state and federal govt. I lived in a high tax state in my early years and got fed up with it an moved. That is taking personal responsibility instead of whining.
    People live where they do for a variety of reasons including job, family and comfort level. Taxes, I would guess are down the list for most persons after those factors.
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what is really causing a bad situation to perhaps happen is so many people think the government exists to take care of them and other people have a duty to pay for that
    So the rich are planning to riot?
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