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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Good lord man. It only takes sixty votes - the cloture rule - when a filibuster is invoked. Now today, the Republicans seem to invoke the filibuster on almost everything and they set a record for it last year and will set a record again this year. When you hear some news person say "they need sixty votes to bring this to the floor" or some variation of that, what they are saying is that under the GOP obstructionist tactics employed over the last two years, this has become commonplace and has become the defacto 'rule'. This is why you are confused.

    But do this for me please: provide clear and unambiguous language stating just what you claim - that you must have sixty votes to bring every bill to the floor for a vote and it has always been this way.

    I will await such evidence from you.
    You symbolize the problem in this country today, failure to understand the legislative process. The Senate put that requirement in years ago, long before 2001. It is you that is confused, it takes 60 votes to OVERRIDE a veto but it also takes 60 votes to end debate and get a bill to the floor. Two different issues. Think that Democrats never used that tool? If not you are very naive.

    You can Google 60 votes required in the Senate and get a number of better sites but this one is the most concise. Many bills are bipartisan and aren't debated but any bill that is debated in the Senate is subject to the 60 vote rule and has been used by both parties.

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...3071735AAaPaYT
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what we have issues with is that a system that once was fair was changed to a system where the many can constantly vote up the rates of the few because the many have more votes. Those in the top 5% are paying most of the federal income taxes and many in the bottom 95% are basically freeloaders
    And when was it "fair" in your opinion?
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And when was it "fair" in your opinion?
    pre 16th amendment



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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    pre 16th amendment
    ahhh - so you do want to repeal the 20th century.
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    ahhh - so you do want to repeal the 20th century.
    That is silly. I want the precedent that existed through Schechter Poultry to have been respected by the FDR intimidated Supreme Court. if that stare decisis would have remained we would be debating a tax rate of 12% versus 8%



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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    ahhh - so you do want to repeal the 20th century.
    Lets talk about fair

    if the bottom 98% vote to make the taxes on all income over 200K 100% is that fair?



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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    That is silly. I want the precedent that existed through Schechter Poultry to have been respected by the FDR intimidated Supreme Court. if that stare decisis would have remained we would be debating a tax rate of 12% versus 8%
    Well the US Supreme Court did not see it that way. Another part of the political events of the 20th century that you want to repeal.

    How do you feel about popular election of US Senators?
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Well the US Supreme Court did not see it that way. Another part of the political events of the 20th century that you want to repeal.

    How do you feel about popular election of US Senators?
    The supreme court was threatened by FDR and after his landslide victory in 1936, they played politics and turned their back on honest interpretations of the 10th Amendment as it would apply to the New Deal

    17th amendment arguably made the senators no longer as accountable to their states. at the time of its passage there were problems but the current problems caused by the change are now worse



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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The supreme court was threatened by FDR and after his landslide victory in 1936, they played politics and turned their back on honest interpretations of the 10th Amendment as it would apply to the New Deal

    17th amendment arguably made the senators no longer as accountable to their states. at the time of its passage there were problems but the current problems caused by the change are now worse
    That is a conservative right wing excuse for the Courts ruling and is a blatant attempt to claim that it was not based on the law in a act of pure politically motivated revisionist history. The Supreme Court is an independent and co-equal branch of government. The so called "threat" to the Court fell flat on its face with the failure of the Court packing idea.

    So are you in support of the popular election of Senators or would you prefer the previous method?
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That is a conservative right wing excuse for the Courts ruling and is a blatant attempt to claim that it was not based on the law in a act of pure politically motivated revisionist history. The Supreme Court is an independent and co-equal branch of government. The so called "threat" to the Court fell flat on its face with the failure of the Court packing idea.

    So are you in support of the popular election of Senators or would you prefer the previous method?
    since you are so well educated on the concept of supreme court precedent tell us why the shift after Schecter.



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