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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    No, political pragmatism. Why WOULD they want to create a big fuss just to make the Bush tax cuts expire a year earlier? They had more important things to worry about than an extra year of tax cuts. Actively working to extend them is a whole different ballgame.



    Yes yes, the poor rich folk. In a nation with a very high GDP per capita and a very high degree of wealth disparity, you have it pretty rough in this country, don't you.



    Regardless of what you imagine that the Democrats claimed, the fact is that middle-class tax cuts are significantly more stimulative for the economy than tax cuts for the wealthy, because the money is more likely to be spent.
    Tax cuts stimulative? No, say it isn't so? Middle Class tax cuts by the liberal standards also add more to the debt than the tax cuts on the rich but of course no one is talking about paying for those tax cuts, wonder why? Still waiting for someone to explain to me how an individual taxpayer keeping more of what THEY earn is an expense to the govt. thus has to be paid for? How about an answer?

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Since it takes 60 votes to get anything out of the Senate there was no GOP Control. When the GOP took control they did indeed implement withholding cuts but still didn't have 60 votes to get a permanent cut in place.
    You and Turtle are very confused (surprise surprise) with the current Senate and how the Republicans have used the 60 vote threshold in a historically unprecedented way to thwart the elected majority and to impose a phony fillibuster provision on everything. That was not the case in the Congress a decade ago.

    The Republicans did indeed control it during the passage of the tax cuts via the vote of the Vice President.
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Tax cuts stimulative? No, say it isn't so? Middle Class tax cuts by the liberal standards also add more to the debt than the tax cuts on the rich but of course no one is talking about paying for those tax cuts, wonder why? Still waiting for someone to explain to me how an individual taxpayer keeping more of what THEY earn is an expense to the govt. thus has to be paid for? How about an answer?
    lets be honest

    the middle and lower classes ( the ones who actually pay some federal income tax either at the current rates or if the BUsh rates are erased) have far more VOTES than the top 2%. That is the only reason why the dems pretend NOW that the Bush rates are now GOOD for the bottom 98% and is not bad for the deficit.



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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I guess you are ignorant of the filibuster and after Jeffords flipped the dems got control of the congress back for a time
    The ignorant one is you. When the tax cut was passed the Senate was 50 to 50 with Cheney breaking the tie giving the GOP control of the issue. Jeffords flip came later.
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You and Turtle are very confused (surprise surprise) with the current Senate and how the Republicans have used the 60 vote threshold in a historically unprecedented way to thwart the elected majority and to impose a phony fillibuster provision on everything. That was not the case in the Congress a decade ago.

    The Republicans did indeed control it during the passage of the tax cuts via the vote of the Vice President.
    so the dems didn't have at least 41 votes then?



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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You and Turtle are very confused (surprise surprise) with the current Senate and how the Republicans have used the 60 vote threshold in a historically unprecedented way to thwart the elected majority and to impose a phony fillibuster provision on everything. That was not the case in the Congress a decade ago.

    The Republicans did indeed control it during the passage of the tax cuts via the vote of the Vice President.
    The only way the Republicans could get the tax cuts through was with a sunset. They wanted a permanent reduction but the Democrats wouldn't let that through so wha tis your point? A filibuster would have occurred without the sunset and that is what you are ignoring.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The ignorant one is you. When the tax cut was passed the Senate was 50 to 50 with Cheney breaking the tie giving the GOP control of the issue. Jeffords flip came later.
    so the dems didn't have 41 votes then.



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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The only way the Republicans could get the tax cuts through was with a sunset. They wanted a permanent reduction but the Democrats wouldn't let that through so wha tis your point? A filibuster would have occurred without the sunset and that is what you are ignoring.
    and both of you are still confused equating the tactics of the Republicans today with the Democrats in 2001. Sadly, the Dems were not nearly as cold, calculating, ruthless and self serving in 2001 as the GOP is today. Cheaney broke the tie in 2003 for round two.

    But all this is but a side issue to the fact that the tax raises were passed by the Congress in 2001 under President Bush.
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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and both of you are still confused equating the tactics of the Republicans today with the Democrats in 2001. Sadly, the Dems were not nearly as cold, calculating, ruthless and self serving in 2001 as the GOP is today. Cheaney broke the tie in 2003 for round two.

    But all this is but a side issue to the fact that the tax raises were passed by the Congress in 2001 under President Bush.
    You are the one confused as you ignore the final vote with the process of getting the bill to the floor. In order for cloture there has to be 60 votes and in order to get that the Republicans had to agree to a sunset and then when it got to the floor the final vote is taken and that doesn't require 60 votes. There were two tax cuts, the rebates of 2001 and the withholding rate cuts in 2003. It is the 2003 taxes that are being extended.

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    Re: Two Major Conservative Obstacles Emerge To Tax Cut Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and both of you are still confused equating the tactics of the Republicans today with the Democrats in 2001. Sadly, the Dems were not nearly as cold, calculating, ruthless and self serving in 2001 as the GOP is today. Cheaney broke the tie in 2003 for round two.

    But all this is but a side issue to the fact that the tax raises were passed by the Congress in 2001 under President Bush.
    and the only way the GOP could prevent a dem filibuster was to have a sunset provision



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